Did I make a bad call ?

[Kaobak]

This is what happened...I was playing a SNG 6 handed of 1 table at pokerstars, I was UTG with 7's (the first stage of blinds 10/20), so I decided to raise to 60, everyone folds to the big blind who decided to call. The flop is 434 with two clubs. He checked and I bet 120 he push all in I call...He had 43 off suit. It was right my call ? I thought that he thought I wanted to push him out of the pot so he tried to push me out...

[mnmason]

Yeah, you did.

[Kaobak]

Originally Posted by mnmason

Yeah, you did.

woow, geez! thanks for your reasons!

[johnyboy1536]

if he was willing to go all in, then i would have folded knowing he could have a 3 or 4

[deadflush7]

I would say it wasnt necessarily a bad call, but definitely wouldve been a much better call later in the tourney. At that stage, I prob wouldve laid it down, even if he had a flush draw with a couple overs your not a big favorite. Hope this helps.

[POKERulez]

i think i woulda called...i think it was a good call

[aleanrahel]

First of all, I almost never raise with low and medium PP when UTG, not even 6 handed. Just flat call and hope to see a cheap flop and hit trips. Most likely I will be out of position, so I do not want to grow a big pot yet.

Second, he is in the blinds, so he can have a very wide hand selection. He already has some money in the pot, and a lot of players will play any two cards when facing a normal raise. He only has to call 40 into a 90 pot, so 2.25 to 1 odds. That's not very bad, although I personally would have layed down 43os. But I am a tight player.

He probably put you on 2 overcards, so if a low flop hits his hand, he is a huge favorite against hands like AK to AT, KQ, KJ, etc. That's one reason why many players play hands like this from the blinds. If it hits, you usually get paid off.

Your raise was a bit on the high side. With a 130 pot, betting half the pot is a pretty normal continuation bet. If you get your opponent to fold 1 time in 3, you break even, even if you lose the other 2 pots. If you bet the pot, your opponent must fold 1 time in 2 to break even.

His checkraise was pretty normal play with full house. You are the preflop aggressor, a straight or flush can't harm him, so he can afford to wait.

About your call, I wouldn't have put the tournament on the line with just an overpair to the board, especially not against the BB who checkraises me. Remember, he is putting his tournament on the line as well, so you have to think: is he really a player that is willing to do that with a stone-cold bluff? When I know nothing about the player, I err on the side of caution and fold. I will keep observing that player though, to see if I can spot a pattern.

You raised preflop, so your opponent has to asume you have at least a decent hand, meaning 2 overcards or a PP. With the turn and river to come, making an all-in bluff is very, very dangerous. So I would have put him on a hand like A4, K4, 45 suited, or a PP. All these hands fit his preflop call perfectly, and would probably have me beat.

So I would have folded, and tried to see if I can spot something about his betting pattern in the next couple of hands.

[allstrs5]

The call was alright. You might have wanted to think about it for a minute though. He was in the big blind and probably didn't want to let you steal it, so he called with almost anything. It was probably early enough that you could have laid it down but that would have been tough.

[Kaobak]

Originally Posted by aleanrahel

First of all, I almost never raise with low and medium PP when UTG, not even 6 handed. Just flat call and hope to see a cheap flop and hit trips. Most likely I will be out of position, so I do not want to grow a big pot yet.

Second, he is in the blinds, so he can have a very wide hand selection. He already has some money in the pot, and a lot of players will play any two cards when facing a normal raise. He only has to call 40 into a 90 pot, so 2.25 to 1 odds. That's not very bad, although I personally would have layed down 43os. But I am a tight player.

He probably put you on 2 overcards, so if a low flop hits his hand, he is a huge favorite against hands like AK to AT, KQ, KJ, etc. That's one reason why many players play hands like this from the blinds. If it hits, you usually get paid off.

Your raise was a bit on the high side. With a 130 pot, betting half the pot is a pretty normal continuation bet. If you get your opponent to fold 1 time in 3, you break even, even if you lose the other 2 pots. If you bet the pot, your opponent must fold 1 time in 2 to break even.

His checkraise was pretty normal play with full house. You are the preflop aggressor, a straight or flush can't harm him, so he can afford to wait.

About your call, I wouldn't have put the tournament on the line with just an overpair to the board, especially not against the BB who checkraises me. Remember, he is putting his tournament on the line as well, so you have to think: is he really a player that is willing to do that with a stone-cold bluff? When I know nothing about the player, I err on the side of caution and fold. I will keep observing that player though, to see if I can spot a pattern.

You raised preflop, so your opponent has to asume you have at least a decent hand, meaning 2 overcards or a PP. With the turn and river to come, making an all-in bluff is very, very dangerous. So I would have put him on a hand like A4, K4, 45 suited, or a PP. All these hands fit his preflop call perfectly, and would probably have me beat.

So I would have folded, and tried to see if I can spot something about his betting pattern in the next couple of hands.

I know exactly what you mean. But in the very firsts hands he wanted to look really agressive, I saw some of his hands. That image also pushed me to call his all-in raise. I putted him at least on some overcards, so if he gets call he's not so lost. A-4 or 4-5 were possible hands that I also thought, in spot of that I decided to play the hand. 4-3 definetly wasn't a hand that I thought even if he's on the big blind, 4-5 nither, but I decided to put him on that too. And if he had the trips, at very least I could hope for a 7, I know it's bad thinking about those 2 outs. A higher PP than mine was impossible, because of his last moves (being agressive) he would've raised me with a 99 +.

[Azendur]

I definetly would have folded, the reason why is simple.
He had to put u on a good hand becausce u raised from UTG, and mostly only really strong hands are raised from that position even short handed. So if he raises u after the flop u had to suggest that he hit the flop or has a real strong pocket pair himself, but then he would propably reraise u preflop. So in that situation u have to know that he hit the flop. If i were in that situation i would have folded expecting at least one 4 in his hand. The fact that it was such early in the tourney is one more reason to fold.

In my opion this was a bad call even if he played really aggressive u have to know that most of the players won't bluff that hard early in a tournament.


greetz Christian