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Old 07-11-2008, 03:52 AM
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Honestly, the only useful answer given was from the guy who suggested playing in the dark. If you don't truly know the power of position then you need to play limit poker. I know this sounds harsh but I'm really just trying to be honest.

I've watched tight players just sit and sit and get blinded off until they were forced to push with AJ (gasp!). In fact, I were one of dose guys.

People talk about using tournaments, either freerolls or cheapies, to build their bankrolls. Well, you build a bankroll by hitting the final table or at least the top 18, not by squeezing into the money.

If you are going to "have a heart attack" by playing position in the dark, then nothing else anyone can tell you will help. NL isn't about your cards all of the time, it's about what your opponent doesn't have and what he fears you DO have.

Brann
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:08 AM
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in the begin always is better play tight... and play loose-agrssiva when with much chips
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Old 07-11-2008, 11:10 PM
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this is retarded please dont take that advice
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Old 07-13-2008, 01:19 PM
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Most people tend to play very loose in the first couple of levels. You see them pushing with 98o or 109o. My advice is to find the one hand. (Usually with people going all-in, look for a high PP or cards like A K suited.)
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:31 PM
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You're relying too much on your cards. One poster mentioned position and this is what you need to play because it comes every round. Cards only come so often.

Try this. Cover your hole cards with a thick piece of cardboard on your screen. Play a small buyin SNG and play only the Button and Cutoff (seat before the Button).

If it folds to you, RAISE it 3xBB. Bet the flop if it's checked to you (and most likely it will be).

You'll spend the rest of your time Noting all your players. Who's tight, who's loose and who the retards are. Raise both the loose players and retards from the Button with a min-raise, so you don't lose much if the re-pop you. Bet the flop again with a 1/2 pot bet if they check to you. Try to raise them if the board comes really scary ... meaning to them.

Fold all the rest of your hands except those two positions. Do this for 10 games. Then take the piece of paper off and play a tournament and do the same thing. You've now added position to your game ... and 8 other hands to get cards.

Great idea, except you are excluding player reads. If the player(s) in the blinds are super aggressive monkeys, you are going to get looked up early and often. Don't bluff calling stations cause you will get looked up often by 2nd pair, 3rd pair of Ace high.
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:59 PM
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Billy Williams comment:
"You'll spend the rest of your time Noting all your players. Who's tight, who's loose and who the retards are. Raise both the loose players and retards from the Button with a min-raise, so you don't lose much if the re-pop you. Bet the flop again with a 1/2 pot bet if they check to you. Try to raise them if the board comes really scary ... meaning to them."

Sorry, I'm just a beginner, can you give an example or two?

Thanks
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Old 07-14-2008, 04:48 PM
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Well, I wouldn't really agree with the raising of retards with LAG type hands. They are retarded after all and I doubt someone like that will even consider what you might have. I try and stick to *good* cards when against a lagtard.. They are not likely to lay down a decent draw or even bottom pair. Which makes advanced post flop moves nearly impossible.

A few things to keep in mind are:

You are 32% to pair at least one hole card(just as they are)
You are 26% to flop a straight draw with connectors
You are 11% for a four flush when suited

Everyone at the table has the same odds of connecting their hand with the flop. So, AK will hit an A or K about 1 in every 3 times just like 73 will. I am not telling anyone to play 73 but your likely hood of pairing on the flop is the same. With suited connectors you are actually more likely to hit a flop than AK is.

This is where a good read on the other guy is really important. If you get the read that they have missed their hand you can take the pot and may end up taking a big one if they can't lay it down.

Not really sure if that was the example that you were asking for but at least it explains the method behind the madness a bit.
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