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Old 02-23-2008, 06:28 AM
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Default 10NL - AK, TPTK tough spot

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $7.10
Hero (SB): $16.05
BB: $17.70
UTG: $12.10
MP: $4.80
CO: $17.25

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A:diamond: K:heart:
UTG calls $0.10, MP checks, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50


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when I raised I expect the loose as hell BB and MP to call and for everyone else to fold. these guys have been limping into pot after pot.
BTN has only played a couple hands and although he's been in a couple of the pots, he never raised and I really didn't expect his call
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Flop: ($2.50) 9:spade: K:diamond: 3:heart: (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, BTN bets $6.50 all in, Hero ??


about 98% of the time, I'm leading out with this kind of hand (sub question: when I do lead out this pot, how much and I betting?)
anyways, I didn't lead out this time mostly because I expected some donk move from MP that I could check raise him all in. I was surprised that the BTN was the better, AND he bet all in. where the hell did that come from I asked myself. no hand history between us, no reason for him to think I'm full of it.
the only thing I can think is:

AK for a tie. (but no preflop raise)
Kx for a serious "bad" move on his part if i call.
K9 or K3 for 2 pair (explains a quick all in and no preflop raise, but i have redraws)
99, 33, or the unlikely KK for a set. I'm way behind and almost drawing dead.

on par about it's a very slim chance that i'm ahead, right?
plus i have 2 players behind me that could have hit an unlikely monster too
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Old 02-23-2008, 05:23 PM
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When you checked the flop, you opened yourself up to not knowing where you were in the hand. The Button now goes all-in and you have no information. If you had made a 3/4 to pot size bet and the Button went all-in you now know you are probably behind in the hand. But you checked the flop and the Button went all-in. You have $0.60 invested in the pot and you do not know where you are. Muck it!
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Old 02-23-2008, 08:14 PM
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When you checked the flop, you opened yourself up to not knowing where you were in the hand. The Button now goes all-in and you have no information. If you had made a 3/4 to pot size bet and the Button went all-in you now know you are probably behind in the hand. But you checked the flop and the Button went all-in. You have $0.60 invested in the pot and you do not know where you are. Muck it!
that's what i'm thinking, but this hand spiraled out of control before even seeing the flop... i felt like a bet would come from teh MP player.
I think the only reason I'm laying this down is because the btn is unknown... it totally looks like a donk bet, but it would be just as easy for someone who plays poorly to play a strong hand this way.
i just wanted to see how many people would stack off in a spot like this. i dont think i've ever called here and won.
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Old 02-24-2008, 05:39 AM
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On a micro table like this I am betting the flop not just for information, but to show commitment. With a $2 pot here I am betting at least $2, maybe $3. I am now pot commited and ready to tangle. If any of the LAG had Kings or Aces they were coning out stronger preflop.

Now with the play you made, I put this player on a mid pair and not 9's. Does not make sense to overbet the set on that flop. I'd probably call here as the check was to induce someone to make a bad move and someone IMHO did.
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:53 PM
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This is a tough spot to me in, espcially with no hand history i would have to lay it down there is not much Money in the pot, this is a BIg risk for which sounds like a split at best. I would have to say that this guy is making a over eager play two pair- hopefully someone will call so you can get a read on the player. Over all i think the player knew you had ace king and he had you beat.
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