2007-04-23 - Last WSOP question for now...

[Huckleberry]

You want a fold???? geez might as well just muck it if your gonna raise all in. Im pretty sure he would fold unless hes sitting on AK or better. You give him no pot odds if you raise all in, better to slow play it for the win and make some money than take his bet.

[WOLFMAN225]

they throw another curve! Maybe they've got more than one person writing/correcting the quizzes? One super aggressive, one timid.

Again, the real correct answer has to depend on the situation. I would raise to 10K for 2 main reasons: 1) If I flop poorly (say, 267 rainbow) and he makes a big bet, I've still got over 10 BB's left to work with; 2) a raise of more than 4x his initial raise should be more than enough to scare all but the AA/KK/QQ hands. If he hold one of those, calling isn't any better than folding, and going all-in prematurely would be a disaster.

I say take a good stab at the pot now. He could be raising on the button with anything/or nothing. It's a very common practice to try to steal in that situation. I put him on a mid-A or maybe middle pkts. If he held a huge hand, I'd think he would just limp on the button in order to trap.

Is there any prize for making valid counter-arguments when we get the "wrong" answer?

[vandriver]

Don't understand why people would raise all in preflop with ace king suited. Makes no sense here. If your beat preflop your obviously going to get called or best case senerio a coin flip. If you raise 10k with this hand at least if you completely miss the flop you still have over 10 times the Big Blind. However I personally think that just calling here is by far the best option. The deception value of the hand is great because the other player has no idea you have a legitimet hand. If you are able to hit any part of the flop you probably are ahead and can check-raise. Worst case senerio is you completely miss the flop and the other player pushes. This leaves you with 22 times the Big Blind and plenty of time to manuver. This part of the tournement isn't ITM yet so why should you play like it is?

[jimma97]

I cant beleive i answered it wrong most of the time i play AK all in . Tried to hard to answer it write got it wrong lol

[Freakydogg313]

Yeah I was surprised how few answered right.
I mean, if you bump it to 10,000 and the guy on the button has any kind of hand (or thinks you don't) he's just going to put you all in anyways right?

I figure, might as well put yourself all in, and show that you do have a strong hand, and he better think it through.

Besides that, with being on the button, I think it is real likely he could have a weaker hand anyways, since he is the one with position to make that raise??

[VicDuck]

I don't hate the all in move here. Out of the 210ish odd hands I figure the other guy could have (pocket pair or Ax), we have about 130 of those dominated. Another 60 are a coin flip, and 9 of them should take us to a split pot. There's only 6 hands we're scared of that have us in trouble.

So 3% of the time this happens, they'll have us in trouble. If we raise 10k and get called, then we're in trouble if we miss the flop because we're out of position. We might even be in trouble if we hit the flop, but the other guy hits two pairs or a set.

If we go all in, we not only eliminate the positional disadvantage, but we get rid of a lot of hands that could cause us issues.

What hands will call us if we go all in? AA, KK, and probably QQ-88 sounds about right, with perhaps AQ, AJ, and maybe AT. Odds of them having one of those hands and it holding up is about 13%.

Odds of them having one of those hands and us winning? About 21%. Even if we take out AT, it's still about 17%.

Odds they fold and we win anyways? about 66%.

[Joestiv]

I am not so prof. to know all that details of the Odds, but for me a raise on the button in this case is a move to steal the blinds. With my All-In I show that I have a strong hand und I even don't want him to play. If he have something, he have to pay and with my AK suitet I want all 5 Cards on the table. Beside some wrote that is better to wait if I don't hit. Wait for what? And in which situation? When everybody folds or everybody calls? I must take advantage of a good hand when it comes!
Sorry for my bad english

[wanglimoto]

the all in makes sence but i answered raise 10k.
i think if i was atthe table and was in the position i would prob make the right move. its kind of hard to think of it when its in words like that. + the details are bad: not enough of them

[jfs1963]

Originally Posted by jamesly

since ive joined this site, ive been taught not to overplay slick. so why would you all in if you can raise 4 times the raise and see the flop if needed to and if ya dont hit and he goes allin you can fold and rebuild. isnt the name of the game to survive early, risk later ????? right??? im confused now...

the blinds were 400/800 he raises to 2400 4xs the bb which to me says he is not representing aces. i have A/K suited the second most powerful starting hand in Hold Em the fact that their suited add's to that power All in is the obvious play.

[MadMatty3131]

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