2007-04-23 - Last WSOP question for now...

[awohara]

[There is more then one answer to that question on 4/22 because you don't know if there was a raise or a reraise and to what position you are in are you under the gun you will need ro raise and see where your hand is sitting. let's say you a starting with KK,QQ,JJ,or any thing below AA you will have to make a raise 3 or 4 time the blind but if you all you have to less then 10 x the blind you will have to go all in. If you have more then 10 x the blind and you are reraise all in and the player that when all in has more then 10 x blind in chips and has been play tight the hole game you will have to give up the hand if it's going to cost you more the 1/3 of you chips to call but if the player has less then 10 X the blind you make the call becouse he could have anything and need to make a move. now if you have AA you wil need to make a small raise and to see if you can get some to call or make a move on you if thay reraise you and not go all in you put them all in or you go all in your self because at this time you have the best hand and all they can do is tie. but remeber that you make a small riase and see if there someone that will reraise you if thay call look at there flop and if there comes with one card J-A and all the other cards are smaller make a big bet and see where you are at. If there is more then one card or a pair hi J - k check and don't bet you trny life on this hand !!!! i could go all day ... what do you think all???


P.S. Remeber you can't win a poker trny in one hand you can alway lay down a winner hand and wait for better position to make up for the chips you loss ! ! ! !

[kemo1a]

I'm sorry I disagree with any raise. He raised you unless I misread something. He's saying he's got something and is calling you through. What if the flop does miss you completely. Say 3,7,10 of spades. Then what 10k chips or all in its game over if he had spades or your hurting if he had a 3,7 10 or pocket aces kings even jacks or queens your in deep crap. I guess I play to conservative. But heck it has never cost me major cash and in the long run I am winning. Only exception is I don't play for thousands of dollars.

[CaptainSlog]

So many times you will see that situation on a televised tournament and AK suited smooth calls. The commentators get excited exclaiming "He/she is laying a trap" And that's preflop! Would it not be prudent to see the flop and try and squeeze more chips out of your opponent.

[Stan7777]

Lets do a little review. You have 25X the BB so your not in danger of getting blinded off any time soon. You have a drawing hand. A pretty one for sure, but it is what it is.You should have 2 overs to the raiser on the button unless they have KK. Don't think you can put position and that raise on AA prefloop. I get that the all in takes away position. A call from the button means all you do is watch the cards hit the board.What you have done by moving all in is taken all chance of a postflop read out of the equation on a drawing hand. If you had a good solid PP it's all in for me. Not AK unfortunately. Anna Kornikova doesn't come home a winner enough for me to go bust in the WSOP. You are almost a statistical coin flip(50/50) with suited cards against a PP call other than kings and aces. Why come so far to gamble the tourney on a draw? I thought the idea was to survive to see more hands. The button has given you the chance to see the flop and fold if you read strength. Or to a made or near made hand you get to drive the bus by acting first after the flop. I really like AK after the flop when first to act. Decent board reading skills and player reading skills allow you to decide how to play a big draw or a made hand. You almost always lose if the opponent has AA or KK. I know its basically 70/30 but maybe you can get away from it after the flop. You aren't getting away from it all in preflop if they call. And both those hands are an insta call. You could move all in to push the button to fold. But what if you get a caller with 22 and the quackers hold up! your gone. The WSOP main event is once a year or even once in a life time. I chose to flat call rather than raise to 10K and have to face an all in without seeing a flop. For those who chose the raise to 10K option I see the merit in that position. You get the advantages of pushing back and perhaps taking down the hand preflop. Yet can still fold with 10 X the BB plus left if you read the opponent for either of the two monster hands you don't want to be up against.
I just don't see the all in based on some of the explainations found in other WSOP main event questions lately.I'm just not affraid to see a flop with AK suited and then out play my opponent afterwards. I guess I just have confidence in my abilities.

[Stan7777]

Originally Posted by infestus

OMG they are donkeys whoever wrote this.You have AK suited on the BB and get raised with one other person in and you just smooth call??Whatever happened to cloutier's never call always raise or fold?Seriously you wanna scoop the pot now when you know you're either a monster favorite or a slight underdog,I dont wanna see the damn flop really.Heck I just tried this same exact thing today and whatdya know flopped my A but he had 2 pair,had I raised preflop like I shoulda ...omg I woulda won!Now you're telling me that calling is right,DONKEY!!

Hi infestus. The correct answer is not call bro. I choose that, sorry TJ, but I am wrong according to the answer. My opinion on that is posted here.

[Stan7777]

Originally Posted by jamesly

since ive joined this site, ive been taught not to overplay slick. so why would you all in if you can raise 4 times the raise and see the flop if needed to and if ya dont hit and he goes allin you can fold and rebuild. isnt the name of the game to survive early, risk later ????? right??? im confused now...

You are definately learning quickly. I didn't choose the 10K raise either, but I absolutely see the merit in that position. I think that choice is reasoned and shows a high degree of thought on your part. My games a little different so I choose smooth call. Not everybodies cup of tea for sure! Well thought out and reasoned decision on your part.

[igottafart]

so ur willing to risk ur tourny life on a draw...WOW

[Stan7777]

Originally Posted by zippyflounder

he knows your pot commited and will push no matter what, gives him in effect 3 free cards...unless he is also semi short stacked and or its close to the payout.

This response to your resonse on the first page is incorrect. There is no automatic all in from the button. Second you are not pot committed with a raise to 10K. If you believe you have any skill at playing post flop you get to act first to put on pressure if you read weakness and to get away from the hand if you put him on a monster. Gotta give yourself some credit for reading ability if you got this far in the WSOP. Don't forget you would still have more than 12X the BB after a fold and at least 7 more hands to find a better spot to rebound. The longer you survive the more chance you give yourself to find that post flop nut and recover. Don't forget you may get a dominated hand like AQ or AJ to come along for the ride with a raise to 10K. I actually chose smooth call with Anna, she hasn't been good to me lately postflop. I do love the thought processed expressed by those who choose raise to 10K though. Very well reasoned on thier part.

[A55A55IN]

I answered call. I just don't agree that all in is the answer. Even with the smallest pocket pair hes got you on the odds, and if he's got a big pocket pair (doubtful or he'd have made a bigger bet) the odds are almost the same except you've lost some long odd straight possibilities. All in with AK, even suited, preflop unless you are real short stacked (ie less than 10 times the BB)is just a stupid move. Same thing with the big raise, if you do that you are basically pot committed if he calls. With a call if you miss the flop you can still get out and lose only 13% of your stack. The key to tourneys is survival. All-in closes off all possibilities and turns it into a coin flip if you get called. One thing I didn't like about this question is the lack of one key piece of info. How short stacked are you compared to the table or other still in the tourney?

[queendriver]

Originally Posted by NosliwPilf

im pretty surprised that so far only 29% of the people who answered the question answered it correctly, i really cant imagine making any other play with the ak suited here when you only have 20000 in chips.

agree 100% ALLIN Ü