2008-08-06 - Heads-up flop decision #2

[railbird]

2008-08-06 - Heads-up flop decision #2

Why would you raise him? Heck Why be in the hand? Should have folded right off.

Heck he could be holding a pair of 2s.
Go all in.
You are beat and praying for a suck-out.

another correct answer for me poker wizard

[Sblounskched]

With a hand like this so early on in a heads up match, I would be reluctant to put my whole stack in on such a weak draw. If your opponent happens to be making a similar play with the A of diamonds, you're in deep trouble because the only diamond in the deck that will give you the win is the J. If your opponent has Ax where the x has paired the board and the A is the diamond, you're left with 4 outs, 3 kings and the J of diamonds. I just don't see how putting you're whole stack at risk so early on is a good play especially if you think you can outplay your opponent. I suppose if you think you're outmatched you might as well go for it but that's about it.

[SiresnMe]

No freaking way ! "an easy all in" I see it as a fold fold fold fold fold fold EASY FOLD !!!!!!!!! share the smoke quizy, cause you blew it on this one.

sure your opponent could "bluff" with 22 here, but i eould not go all in that early with 22, i might go all in with QQ, but i would surely reraise all in with:
AdQx, wich as previously noted would he a disaster that early because not necessary to risk it all with those blinds and without any read, or knowledge of the others play
or a made flush, wich leaves u with 7 outs if it is not the ace high flush, maby with 1 if it is the ace high, or very rarely with zero outs,
but generally i would expect someone to reraise all in here with a set, a straight or a flush,
with a set he has some outs to hit a full house
so i would think hard, but in the end it is a 100% fold from me, over 1000 chips is enough to outplay a fairly good player if u focus hard.
there will be spots in the game later on were u can get ur money in as a very clear fav and the guy has just a 2:1 chip lead, the blinds are low, and an other all in can put u in the 2:1 chiplead

so FOLD !

[Stan7777]

1st level of a HU SnG. This would be the big 1 to remember.

Pot odds are not an edge. You actually rarewly have the min pot odds. And you could be drawing to a 4 outer as others above have pointed out.

I know our friend Quizy is a calling station when it comes to HU play. But folding preflop would be easy for me in the first level.

Why must Quizy take a game of skill and turn it into the "luckbox special" version of poker. Frankly he butchered the entire hand. And peed away his buy in to boot.

1st level is no time to play "suckout poker". There are actually people who will play as you suggest. We'll call them "donators".

Why should I commit nearly all my stack in this situation. He's got a made hand or the A high flush. Lick your wounds and get it in when the getting is better. I don't see the logic to the following statement "You're paying 1,020 to win 1,860, so you'll only need to win about 35 % of the time to break even." Maybe someone can help me there. I'm playing heads-up, thats a 50/50 deal, why would I settle for only a 35% break-even point? Shouldn't I wait til its at least a coin flip?

Easy FOLD!!!!

How can you justify yourself here? "with the possible exception of flushes, that can be outdraw here" You hold on the 3rd nut flush draw here, where the A flush you have a 1 outer for the straight flush, and you could be up against the straight flush T8 already for 0 outs. Are you dismissing the flushes? I would only think of outdrawing them if they are lower, and it gives you even worse odds for all the flushes, than for the straights and sets.

True against the majority of hands you have good odds to make this call, but I would never put myself into an allin this early for only 35% chance of winning.

Maybe a raise is justified on the flop, but not this high and it got you in trouble. If you call this re-raise, then you are saying that no matter what hand the opponent is playing with, your raise on the flop has made you pot committed allin. Are you even trying to read your opponent? Remember he raised preflop, and made a continuation bet.

On a side note what does "you only need to win 35% of the time to break even"? Sounds to me like you are going to lose a lot of money.