2008-08-05 - Heads-up flop decision

I called because I figured the quizmaster would say call, personally its a no brainer to raise there, not that calling would be terrible if you hit one of your many outs. The bottom line is this varied from the quizmaster's usual logic, it actually was the best play but the qm almost never chooses the best play. Damned if you damned if you dont.

Originally Posted by kctcjo

15 outs is not bad, i agree. its not good either.you are probably beat right now and a flop full of diamonds im not sure i love this hand to catch the flush. you have a legit reason to bluff but if he pushes back you have a big decision to make. heads up, your entire stack could be at risk. there are 37 cards in the deck you dont want to see on the turn if he calls. now thats plenty of outs!
whats the "DRAWING HAND" in quotes for? it IS a drawing hand. lol.
donks usually play these hands like they are "made hands". all im saying is that you kinda gotta think past NOW, maybe even as far ahead as the turn! wow thats an idea.

15 outs isnt good? yikes fifteen outs makes you the favorite add in the leveredge of position and a raise and your a huge favorite.

[larry1dart]

LOL every time I get 15 outs or more I never hit especially on Fulltilt. I said call for 2 reasons. Raising here will give the opponent the idea that you either have a draw to the flush or maybe top pair. If they have flopped 2 pair or a set or the nut draw minus the straight flush, they will re-raise you back and that isn't something you want to happen. Or they could have just a pair and they will fold. Or they could have nothing. People assume there are 15 outs when they really don't know how many outs they really have. I want this guy in this pot to make a real killing if I hit my hand big. If the A d comes out and the guy has a diamond and you just called the initial bet, it makes it easier to get his chips. But everyone plays different and it is better making the raise then calling the re-raise of your opponent if they make one. I would still just call in this situation, if the turn is a blank you still have enough chips left, aren't pot commited on a draw, and the opponent won't be clear on what exactly you do have, which is a big plus. GL!!

i said call but i guess i was wrong lol

[ShowMeJohn]

If you decided to raise here, you are a poker fool. You have a chance to make a good or even great hand and see a free card. Only a player with a strong hand, or a crazy player like yourself is going to call in this instance. What do you do if they reraise all in???? Heck, you got shit in one hand and hope in the other! If you don't get lucky, you are most likely gonna be walking home to Houston!

Don't listen to this bad advice. I send players like this home empty handed every day.

These are easy to answer 'cos all-in is nearly always the 'correct' answer for Quizzie...........360 here though is mad when blinds are this low......just call and see what the turn brings.

Originally Posted by buweep

what do these numbers mean, the look like dates. However, I don't see how these dates could be poker hands. Just a few numbers. doesn't make sense to me!

I personally chuckle because the person who writes the quizzes around here plays a lot of limit/pot limit... It seems obvious from the quizzes..

But its all good..

Enjoy your day.

Originally Posted by ShowMeJohn

If you decided to raise here, you are a poker fool. You have a chance to make a good or even great hand and see a free card. Only a player with a strong hand, or a crazy player like yourself is going to call in this instance. What do you do if they reraise all in???? Heck, you got shit in one hand and hope in the other! If you don't get lucky, you are most likely gonna be walking home to Houston!

Don't listen to this bad advice. I send players like this home empty handed every day.

I made a raise like this to with a board of 8h 7h 3c I had AhKh... it was limped.. The guy to my right bet out... he plays a lot of suited connectors... makes me think 89 right there.. I raise I get one caller... I think to myself... what does this person have... decent player so at least 2 pair... but frightened to death that i might have flopped a set of 3s... But because I didn't I thought she might of, trying to trap my dumb ass.. I turn the 5h.. I bet out my nut flush I get a call... and think, crap I don't wanna see the board pair.. I bet about 1/3 of the pot when the 4s fell on the end and did get paid by exactly that, 2 pair... Sometimes these raises with draws can be very profitable, as long as you know and respect your opponent... AND PAY ATTENTION!! (we are talking live poker here) BTW, the other player admitted to exactly what I put him on... 89 after the hand.. INFORMATION IS GOLDEN, and when you have to risk chips to get it, that is part of this game...

[TBadd]

I got it right.....like I ALWAYS do....LISTEN IDIOTS you raise! Get your schooling somewhere else.

it depends how i played the guy so far...
have i reraised so far and did he fold?
does he come over the top when i usually reraise?
what happens when the turn comes down a blank?
does he make big bets on turn or river or just try to show down?

problem is... if i hit my straight flush or straight or flush there is gonna be little action when i reraise after the flop and he calls if he is a fairly good player.

but generally i will just call, keeping the pot small here...
with that board u either win big or loose big with a raise after the flop
but if u call u only loose small but u can still win big, if the turn comes a blank and he called the raise... what are u gonna do?