2008-06-30 - Final table soon

i chose check and take a flop for the simple reason someone may be limping with a giant....and why take the chance of being dominated by AK or something.....but hey im not on the table so its kind of hard to say...ive moved in on limpers before with marginal hands to pull down blinds so i dont know

i choose for raise to 1600 because you had enough chips to wait for a better hand so dont go all in.I think the other player had A K or something and he want that you go all in!

[EJ0507]

Originally Posted by Azhiaziam

I got to agree small stack tight players its an allin bet heck its an allin bet with atc in my opinion chances are you wont get a call and any ace is a good in such a short handed table so push and take down the blinds and the butttons limp. If he would have had any kind of hand he would have raised instead of limping. Besides all that I am going for first not limping or just minimum or even 3x the blind and having an out of position post flop play where in all likelihood I would be called. In the small blind I would be raising allin too. After that any king or above and all my chips are in the middle for any tight player to take at least until the rest of the field joins us. 5 players + tight players + 1 off final tables = stealing blinds continually

It's players like you that have been teaching these DONKIES how to play "poker"...That ain't "poker" ... that's gambling, and yes you do need a little more gamble in you to play tournament poker, but personally I wish all you "gamblers" would just go to the craps table 'where you can go on a nice run and win big quick' and leave the "poker" to poker players!

[EJ0507]

Originally Posted by Azhiaziam

I got to agree small stack tight players its an allin bet heck its an allin bet with atc in my opinion chances are you wont get a call and any ace is a good in such a short handed table so push and take down the blinds and the butttons limp. If he would have had any kind of hand he would have raised instead of limping. Besides all that I am going for first not limping or just minimum or even 3x the blind and having an out of position post flop play where in all likelihood I would be called. In the small blind I would be raising allin too. After that any king or above and all my chips are in the middle for any tight player to take at least until the rest of the field joins us. 5 players + tight players + 1 off final tables = stealing blinds continually

You wouldn't even be at this table. Quizzy said all the tight good players were at this table. You might be at the other table with the chip lead after going all in with A-6 off suit and taking out A-Q suited, pocket Jacks, and pocket Kings in the same hand...but then again you just might be on the rail talking about how you flopped your Ace and the guy with the pocket KINGS "sucked out" on the river by hitting his King.

ben voila j'aimerais participer à votre freeroll mais comment fait on pour avoir le mot de passe.

Originally Posted by watchdog26

So with a raise of $1600 your pot committed anyways, so you might as well go all in and put them to a decision right then and there.

Just math here... I think I see your point:
If the button or the small blind moves all-in and has you covered (unspecified) than there would be $7800 in the pot and you would have $4200 in your stack. That's less than 1.9:1 odds. If you fold you still have seven trips around in your stack. check-check-fold would leave you with nine trips around.

I wish we knew more specifics. How much does the button have, how much for the small blind? The button won't want to call $1200 more weak with the small blind still to act (he is, after all a good player). But this squeeze becomes even greater if you move all-in because you take away his position post-flop. If either player was setting a trap for you, than anything but a check-check-fold (unless a miracle flop comes) is a terrible result for you.

I'm coming around to the all-in or nothing theory. I s'pose.

OK, so I said all-in, but I wasn't happy about it.
This is another "it depends" hand. It depends on the action previous to this hand and my table image. Also, if one of these guys is savvy enough to limp, expecting my raise, hopefully I will have figured that out before now. Unfortunately, we just don't have the chips or the time to mess around, so I really wanna take this down right now. If I've shown down mostly solid hands, then I'd probably just push. A6 is a decent hand, and probably ahead in this situation. If KJ calls my all in and hits a J, well, that's poker. But with loose players on the other table, I need to take as many pots as I can before the merge.
Gotta push IMHO.

[Azhiaziam]

Any way you play is it is right for your play. If you want to think check and folding after the flop is good so be it if you think crippling yourself with a raise fold is good so be it. You don't have 7 rounds around you will be lucky if you get 2 more blinds will go up to 400/800 with probably a blind 4-5 more people are coming to the table all with a bead on you. You can wait and hope to push all your chips in oin a full table where the bet would only be a 6th of the chips in front of others or now where it is a 3rd and more dificult of a decision to call. Everyone hates bad beats and losing to an ace 6 offsuit does suck. The table is tight and agrgressive he aint laying in wait and if he is well so be it why you limp your way out of the tourney and I lose here then I will be on the next tourney and you will have to wait until you realize you should have pushed and even hoped for a call.
As for all you guys that say you would have the best hand on the button and just waiting for that opportunity that is not a great play anyhow. You allow 2 players in the pot even with a great hands your odds have just went to a third it may work but it may not.
Going allin and trying to steal blinds in the next few hands is the only way to continue anything less and you lose anyhow.

Unknown are the chip counts of the button and SB.

All-in makes sense.. A raise to 1600 opens it up for a resteal and you will have just lost 30% of your stack at a critical point in the game.

All-in adds 10% and will more than likely take it down. The paranoid crowd that insists you are being set up by a limper is amusing. What are the % chances of that, really? Maybe 15% between the 2 (estimation) So, 85% of the time you increase your stack by 10%, and 15% your up against a solid hand. Now you also have an ace so we will also win a few of these battles against pairs less than AA. The odds are there, take them.

I really wish I knew those other chip counts, so I knew whether anybody might get frisky there with KQ, KJ, QJ and A-7 thru A-10.

Originally Posted by Azhiaziam

I got to agree small stack tight players its an allin bet heck its an allin bet with atc in my opinion chances are you wont get a call and any ace is a good in such a short handed table so push and take down the blinds and the butttons limp. If he would have had any kind of hand he would have raised instead of limping. Besides all that I am going for first not limping or just minimum or even 3x the blind and having an out of position post flop play where in all likelihood I would be called. In the small blind I would be raising allin too. After that any king or above and all my chips are in the middle for any tight player to take at least until the rest of the field joins us. 5 players + tight players + 1 off final tables = stealing blinds continually

i agree no one does remember that guy,slow & steady is the key young grasshopper.cheer's m8 & see you on the green