2008-03-16 - Aces

Also I just realised that except for the peflop raise we have shown weakness
The flop bet was smaller then the preflop bet
Plus each time we raised the minimum
Of course the pro is going to pick up that and try and use it against us

[doookie]

I folded. I had to give the him credit for a set there. He called a 3X reraise preflop, so it'd be easy to assume had a pair of some sort(altho I'd have guessed bigger than 3's). Probably the biggest reason I folded is that I was invested about 1450, which is a good piece of my stack, but I'm not pot committed. If I fold, I'll still be left with an average stack and will just regroup and hang around. Hell, I've lost with A's twice today already. Sometimes you just got to lay it down....

[123bird]

Originally Posted by Schiesse

Why should it make any difference if it's against a pro or against some random in a cash game? If it were some random sitting there he would've flopped a set too, just happens to be a pro. And why in gods name would a pro call such a large raise pre-flop with 3's? sounds more like a donkey sitting there, not a well known pro.

Originally Posted by eTiger13

i would have pushed way harder than that preflop. that was a weak re-raise. with AA you want to win the hand as soon as possible so something like that doesnt happen

Originally Posted by Baron852006

When you have aces and there's a flop with a 3 5 10 rainbow there is nothing out there that is scary. the only thing he could've floped is a set, two pair, a pair, or a str8 draw. With a raise pre-flop pockets is always a possibilty so it is possible to get away from the hand but I called when I took the quiz.

I agree with all of you ,there's nothing scary about the flop pushed preflop & who gives a f**k if its a pro or a beginner,but you really should have pushed preflop & if he's a decent pro he couldn't have called with 33

Schieese, ..I couldn't have said it any better myself. Get out of my head, ..lol.

[conboy32]

Let me see---u got beat so we should fold ?? Is that about it>>?? It's not a dream world--- you call .............!!!! and sometimes u get beat ..

Interesting hand i could see him having 1010 but not 33 really i think the 3x raise gave him about the worst value to call here, it is written and common to never call to see a flop with a low pp when it is for more than 12 percent of your stack he is right about on this fine line, similarly in this situation a lot of pros tend to fold small pocket pairs.

Sounds like the pro ended up getting 15 to 1 on his 300 chip call. That's why he's a pro.

If we fold to the fourth raise like we really should in this situation (easy fold against any decently respectable player), then the pro only gets 5 to 1 on his 300 chip call. I call it a good day when I can make a pro make a mistake.

That said, my decision here actually has a little to do with who the pro is. I might call Mike Matusow.

Originally Posted by kctcjo

that last re raise put you at over 1/3 stack committed to the pot. the all-in by the pro was a result of smelling your weak play and using it against you. by the time you become that committed in chips and you are still unwilling to push, you tell your opponent that you aren't sure of your hand. you dug the hole and the pro threw the dirt in on you. being all-in first would have given him pause. tight-aggressive is the way the pros play. its quite apparent by the texture of the quizes on here you are weak-passive.

what a dumb reply.

he flopped a set.

nothing you could've done could of scared him.

and i challenge anyone that flops the set there to fold

and if they do, i'll show them to the nearest bingo hall.

This is the first time I have to disagree, first off people that are bringing up who cares who it is are absolutely right, until you know how that person has been playing for this tourney, or unless you play against this guy all the time it matters not. This isnt a freeroll so you can assume that most of the people playing are playing big boy poker. I don't see how you can assume given the cards on board that folding in that situation could be classified as correct or incorrect in my estimation in that situation, your hand will be good at least half the time, especially with the all in, that looks more like a bluff then a call down on the reraise as I would play it. The aces are the hand of death in that situation but if your gonna start laying down aces to an unpaired, unflushed unstraighted board to huge overbets, you are likely going to be kicking yourself quite a bit, I think that the error in this hand occurred earlier by reraising too much maybe you should play more cautiosly with aces and play to trap instead of push around especially against a so called well known pro.

[Spaz]

so we raised to 450 preflop... so with the blinds the pot is about 1000 and we only bet 300? the min-raise seems sketchy to me, my first guess was it's something like AT trying to figure out where he was. i can't fault a call here, sometimes you're just beat and that's what happens