Sometimes, Omaha is strange

[flosse66]

This is what happened to me a couple of minutes ago at a No-Limit Omaha freeroll at pokerstars: had a not so great starting hand with 3QQQ, but the flop brought the last queen. V799 hit nothing with the flop, just had a chance for a straight.
Turn brought the third 9, but my tripple queens were still better. River was another 9 that turned my hand into a full house, so I went all in and lost to his four-of-a-kind...
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PokerStars Spiel #12002374687: Turnier #60479760, Freeroll Omaha No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2007/09/11 - 17:17:45 (ET)
Tisch '60479760 701' 9-max Platz #8 ist der Dealer
Platz 1: Sabreman76 (7635 in Chips)
Platz 2: flosse66 (10700 in Chips)
Platz 3: copperhead52 (10 in Chips) sitzt aus
Platz 4: Cruiser-Lady (20 in Chips) sitzt aus
Platz 5: V799 (37295 in Chips)
Platz 6: H8Sk8 (23777 in Chips)
Platz 7: bazoooka (5470 in Chips)
Platz 8: Indy_Chic (105047 in Chips)
Sabreman76: setzt den Small Blind 150
flosse66: setzt den Big Blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Ausgeteilt an flosse66 [3c Qd Qc Qs]
copperhead52: passt
Cruiser-Lady: passt
V799: geht mit 300
H8Sk8: geht mit 300
bazoooka: geht mit 300
Indy_Chic: geht mit 300
Sabreman76: geht mit 150
flosse66: checkt
*** FLOP *** [Kh Qh 7s]
Sabreman76: checkt
zacko2 ist verbunden
flosse66: setzt 300
V799: geht mit 300
H8Sk8: passt
bazoooka: geht mit 300
Indy_Chic: geht mit 300
Sabreman76: passt
*** TURN *** [Kh Qh 7s] [9s]
flosse66: setzt 300
V799: erhöht 1800 auf 2100
bazoooka: geht mit 2100
Indy_Chic: passt
flosse66: geht mit 1800
*** RIVER *** [Kh Qh 7s 9s] [9h]
flosse66: setzt 4000
V799: erhöht 5000 auf 9000
bazoooka: passt
flosse66: geht mit 4000 und ist All-In
*** SHOWDOWN ***
V799: zeigt [Jh 9c 5c 9d] (Four of a Kind, Neunen)
flosse66: zeigt [3c Qd Qc Qs] (Ein Full House, Damen Full of Neunen)
V799 gesammelt 25300 von Pot
*** ZUSAMMENFASSUNG ***
Gesamter Pot 25300 | Rake 0
Board [Kh Qh 7s 9s 9h]
Platz 1: Sabreman76 (Small Blind) gepasst auf den Flop
Platz 2: flosse66 (Big Blind) zeigt [3c Qd Qc Qs] und verloren mit Ein Full House, Damen Full of Neunen
Platz 3: copperhead52 gepasst vorher Flop (hat nicht gesetzt)
Platz 4: Cruiser-Lady gepasst vorher Flop (hat nicht gesetzt)
Platz 5: V799 zeigt [Jh 9c 5c 9d] und gewonnen (25300) mit Four of a Kind, Neunen
Platz 6: H8Sk8 gepasst auf den Flop
Platz 7: bazoooka gepasst auf den River
Platz 8: Indy_Chic (Dealer) gepasst auf den Turn

[Truthskatez]

lol you had three Qs in ur hand .. i hate wen that happens nice hand though .. that is until you got screwed over

[flosse66]

Hi!
Here is another strange Omaha hand from a Pokerstars Freeroll. Had that hand today. This was the first (and last) hand for me in that tournament.

tysk12 raised and I thought that Ah Jh 3h 5h was a decent enough hand to go all-in pre-flop.
tysk12 showed a decent hand with 9h Kh 7c Js

and now began the rollercoaster-ride:
the flop turned his hand into a three of a kind, Kings so he was ahead.
The turn brought a 10, turning my hand into a straight 10 to Ace. I was ahead at that point.
With an Ace, we would have had a split-pot, with one of the two remaining jacks or with a 7 or a 9, he would have had a Full House, but...

The river gave him the final King for a four of a kind... My first reaction was "fishy", but on second thought, I realized that there were a number of outs for him.
Nevertheless, this was a rollercoaster ride and it leaves a bitter taste...

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PokerStars Spiel #12015902293: Turnier #60479775, Freeroll Omaha No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/09/12 - 12:02:54 (ET)
Tisch '60479775 506' 9-max Platz #7 ist der Dealer
Platz 2: smoke 4 me (3865 in Chips)
Platz 3: jjholdemup (1450 in Chips) sitzt aus
Platz 4: flosse66 (1395 in Chips)
Platz 5: LordRL (1772 in Chips)
Platz 6: tysk12 (11255 in Chips)
Platz 7: Tha_P_Abbot (4270 in Chips)
Platz 8: cedarchips33 (1365 in Chips) sitzt aus
Platz 9: failingup (2415 in Chips)
cedarchips33: setzt den Small Blind 25
failingup: setzt den Big Blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Ausgeteilt an flosse66 [Ah Jh 3h 5h]
smoke 4 me: geht mit 50
jjholdemup: passt
flosse66: geht mit 50
LordRL: geht mit 50
tysk12: erhöht 1600 auf 1650
Tha_P_Abbot: passt
cedarchips33: passt
failingup: passt
smoke 4 me: passt
flosse66: geht mit 1345 und ist All-In
LordRL: passt
*** FLOP *** [Qh Kc Kd]
*** TURN *** [Qh Kc Kd] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Kc Kd Td] [Ks]
*** SHOWDOWN ***
flosse66: zeigt [Ah Jh 3h 5h] (Ein Straight, Zehn zu Ass)
tysk12: zeigt [9h Kh 7c Js] (Four of a Kind, Königen)
tysk12 gesammelt 2965 von Pot
*** ZUSAMMENFASSUNG ***
Gesamter Pot 2965 | Rake 0
Board [Qh Kc Kd Td Ks]
Platz 2: smoke 4 me gepasst vorher Flop
Platz 3: jjholdemup gepasst vorher Flop (hat nicht gesetzt)
Platz 4: flosse66 zeigt [Ah Jh 3h 5h] und verloren mit Ein Straight, Zehn zu Ass
Platz 5: LordRL gepasst vorher Flop
Platz 6: tysk12 zeigt [9h Kh 7c Js] und gewonnen (2965) mit Four of a Kind, Königen
Platz 7: Tha_P_Abbot (Dealer) gepasst vorher Flop (hat nicht gesetzt)
Platz 8: cedarchips33 (Small Blind) gepasst vorher Flop
Platz 9: failingup (Big Blind) gepasst vorher Flop

[ncaron]

Don't play Omaha hands with 3 of the same cards or 4 cards of the same suit.

If you have 3 of the same card in your hand you diminish your chances of getting one more on the flop.

If you have 4 of the same suits it means there's only 9 left in the whole deck.

[Daylos]

Originally Posted by flosse66

Hi!
Here is another strange Omaha hand from a Pokerstars Freeroll. Had that hand today. This was the first (and last) hand for me in that tournament.

tysk12 raised and I thought that Ah Jh 3h 5h was a decent enough hand to go all-in pre-flop.

that's not really a good enough hand to go all in with. In Omaha you HAVE to use exactly 2 of your 4 hole cards. any of the 2 card combinations from those 4 aren't worthy of an all in raise. It'd be like going all in in holdem with AJ of a suited A.

[Daylos]

whoops i meant AJ OR a suited A *

[luckylucky]

neither of your hands were any good for a preflop all in, you were kinda coinflipping with him tbh.

[SkyyCaptain]

3 of a kind is MURDER on an omaha hand.

Omaha is not a game of one pair (as hold'em is).

2 pair is probably no good eitehr.

In the fishy freeroll events you'll need a straight, flush, or full house MOST Of the time. Yeah. MOST

These idiots will call any bet with anything.

none of them understand that aces in the hole is a pretty worthless hand too. Of course you raise aces, its aces!

You want a set, or two pair, at the WORST .

2 of a kind in your hand leaves you only a ten percent chance of making a set, and wrecks a lot of your other potentials...like 3 of a kind leaves 1 other card...which means you can ONLY be going for 1 flush, or straight.

Powerful drawing hands in omaha are 4 running cards (2345, 6789) double suited. Now if the flop comes well they can have an EASY monster draw.

Big pairs are like suited connectors in hold'em. They're GREAT, but only on the right flop. A set is only worth a little since most straights will miraculously be out. yeah...even if the only straight is a 79, or a 26. SOMEBODY in that fishy stupid crowd is holding it.

3 of a kind leaves you holding a dead card. A card youo'll NEVER use. Pick one of the 2 unsuited ones and try and think of a combo you'll make with it you can't already make with another.

So...your hand is crippled, and worse yet, your chance of hitting on the flop is cut in HALF. You're playing a hand that can really only make a set, and you're only half as likely to land that set!

Omaha (High) is a game of big nasty hands that would be a monster in any other poker game. Play accordingly. 1 pair is like holding bottom pair in any other game... sure ...it MIGHT win but the vast majority of the tiem it's going to be second best (or worse).

If youo're in a multiway pot you're going to fold the moment that third flush card comes cause yeah, it was out, and it is beating you.

The best omaha hands are like ....AAKK, and AAJT in 2 suits.

The best omaha low hand is are AA23 (again 2 suits)

In general you need some powerful connectedness to stick around without at least 1 possible flush in your hand (7-T+ off suit)

Watch for double-sooted, those are fun, watch out for double paired (especially if you make at least one flush) but again you're throwing them out and FAST when you miss. Don't stick around with top pair unless you're looking at a potent draw (if he has bottom two and you KNOW this then top pair has a crazy number of outs, but at the same time if any of those outs make a straight/flush possible, you should probably discount them.

Oh, and avoid omaha freerolls. THEY"RE SHIT. REALLLLLLLLY bad. Take any hold'em freeroll, then throw your brain in a blender. Its that much worse.

So many of hte freerollers are hold'em players who are comPLETELY clueless as to the value of their own hand. Your 2 pair is NOT going to hold up in a 6 handed pot, even tho you might have the best hand thru the turn.

Once again. AAKK is a wonderful hand, played for SET value (and flush/straight if we're lucky).

If the board comes XJT then we're looking at probably 8 outs. 4 queens give us the nut straight. 2 aces and 2 kings give us top set which MAY be good enough.

If the flop comes AA2. yeah four of a kind still holds up in omaha (only monster that does), go for broke buddy.

[Sit_out]

Originally Posted by ncaron

Don't play Omaha hands with 3 of the same cards or 4 cards of the same suit.

If you have 3 of the same card in your hand you diminish your chances of getting one more on the flop.

If you have 4 of the same suits it means there's only 9 left in the whole deck.

read the original hand, he was BB and checked in to the flop. seems like he knows its not a good hand to go in with, was just unfortunate that he was BB.

[Nonickname]

Skyy captain, I couldn't have said it better myself. I think Omaha is the worst played game ever, especially in freerolls. People don't understand the game. They raise on anything. I rarely ever raise in this game, because every hand is raised to the maximum on every card.

A good way to approach to this game is to look at the hand and figure out what hands are possible, then assume somebody out there has that hand. More often than not they do. If a four of a kind is possible and you have aces full, you'll get cracked about 50% of the time.