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    Mathematical Poker

    Nov 7, 2008 11:08 pm Report Abuse

    I've reached a point in my game (Also known as a dead-end) where I have no money on either Pokerstar or Fulltilt. Plus, in live games I am simply no longer confident. I believe the time has come to really, really re-think the way I play, slow it down and begin learning the maths.

    I'm a statistics student, and in the Summer I promised myself I would learn the statistics associated with Poker and start using them to my advantage. Unfortunately... I'm also lazy and just have not.

    May I ask the fellow Railbirds on their opinions when it comes to learning the maths? Any links that describe them well, and at what point do they feel it can truly help? I would very much appreciate it; I need to get back on track.

    Thank you in advance.


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    Highstakesplay Nov 7, 2008 11:31 pm
    Read some math based books about poker...Having the feel and math in your poker game should help
    tantakatan Nov 7, 2008 11:32 pm
    if you search on google, like poker mathematics, there are tons of them.
    dean80 Nov 7, 2008 11:34 pm
    Well, my 1st question is , do u play any other sites?...............and after that is, do u have any instincts at all..(poker instincts)? well u can learn all the stats u want too.......it might be usefull 2ya...but i can say it wont help in some, maybe most situations u come across. Ive seen some of the sickest things happen in online play ..., and mostly live play., ....but , if you are broke on bolth sites.. I suggest u dont put any more cash on the table,and go with ur gut on free rolls or some chump change until u can learn to play, and trust your feelings about a hand.
    dean80 Nov 7, 2008 11:38 pm
    in other words....ALL INSTINCT brother........gl my friend
    fuzzylander Nov 7, 2008 11:45 pm
    the math of poker does no good if you cant learn to put people on a hand. You have to know where you stand before you can figure the math out. You have to place your opponent on a hand and then do the math. The math is very simple. If your percentage of winning is less than your pot odds (the ratio of chips in to the return of chips if you win)then you should fold. If you are getting more bang for your buck, then you should do it. I would look online for the math of poker. I would try to memorize starting hand % or write them down and use them to your advantage.

    Good Luck on your new approach to poker.
    MakingBeer Nov 7, 2008 11:58 pm
    The problem with playing the odds online is that you could very well be the only one doing so. You might be a 70% favorite against a single opponent, but then get called by four and outdrawn by two. In the long run, knowing the pot odds and how to use them should help, but....
    bullishwwd Nov 7, 2008 11:59 pm

    Jae, i suggest you just read some of the good books on poker. GL, WallyRailbird image uploaded: Oct 28, 2008 2:59 pm

    wuzzle Nov 8, 2008 12:03 am
    A book that helped my game and put the math to an easy to use format is "Insiders Secrets to Playing Texas Hold'Em Poker Online by Theo Cage
    msbeat Nov 8, 2008 12:06 am
    Odds are good, however you need to get a feel for the table also, if you have a donkey that is easy to read use a trap. You may need to watch some hands and you will probably have some bad beats, but that is the nature of poker.
    tim4u Nov 8, 2008 12:34 am
    only math i use is how big my stack is minus it is to call and how much does it leave me,,,,compaired to how many blinds left to play with that amount,,, I always try to leave at least twenty blinds to a loose call,,,ten to a big hand,,,,good luck and good gaming
    JaeDy Nov 8, 2008 12:46 am
    Thank you for the advice, everyone! I'm rather surprised at the polite differences in opinions in the comments; you've all been a good help. I'll be back with a bankroll and far better next time!
    SiresnMe Nov 8, 2008 12:57 am

    "I'm also lazy and just have not" here lies problem.

    be safe / be well

    Sires

    tbdbitl Nov 8, 2008 1:03 am

    Here's a link to an old Blog of mine. Just two words:

    Bankroll Management

    SiresnMe Nov 8, 2008 1:41 am
    I am a problem solver. My occupation that is. As a heavy equipment mechanic, all I do is solve problems in electronics, hydraulics, internal combustion engines and how they communicate with each other, and how humans inter act with them. This has made me a very analytical person. In your blog you presented your problem, you identified your ability to learn or achieve with some personal information you shared, and then you identified your shortcoming.
    That tells me you are here: You need to ask yourself this question. Am I entering into this game as a competor? Or AM I entering into this game for entertainment value?
    If you honesly answer this question “I want to play and win this game” Then this is what you do. Be a student of the game. Play tight as a means to collect information, learn and apply the math. Continue to add or work on one aspect of the game at a time. Continue to expand your game to a solid level.
    Or accept the fact that you just like to have fun playing. If blowing $50 bucks on poker keeps a person happy, hell, it sure is cheaper than a night at the bar, there’s no driving evolved, that’s good for the environment, a person can hang at home and enjoy some good drink, food, and poker. Enjoy. But you have to identify why you’re approaching a poker game.
    Just my opinion.
    Be safe / be well
    Sires
    Lloydy1 Nov 8, 2008 1:53 am
    ive been reading the mathematics of poker by bill chen and jerrod ankenman. In the 'foreword' Chris Ferguson says ' if i ever find myself teaching a poker class for the mathematics department at UCLA, this will be the only book on the syllabus! Good book complex though!! but then it would be!!! lol! good luck on the tables mate!!
    markbills7 Nov 8, 2008 1:57 am
    math helps when determining pot odds but i mean its all instinct and the way yuou place your bets - try to put people of their games - let them feel unconfident
    Lloydy1 Nov 8, 2008 5:12 am

    it is about insticts, position etc, but not ALL about that, as some as suggested, a player who uses his instinct, positional sense etc AND the maths has a much bigger advantage over players using jus instict etc. maths and good pokerplay in general are a marriage made in heaven!!

    chapeltuno Nov 8, 2008 5:38 am
    As a Stats student it should be all about math. I'm sure after a little mathamatical intervention you'll be on your way to figuring all sorts of crazy percentages and odds. Don't be fooled by those that say it is not that important. Its what makes casino the winner every time.
    JaeDy Nov 8, 2008 6:02 am
    Chapeltuno, I'm planning on writing my project about Poker, Blackjack, Roulette, craps and slot machines for my project in my third year. That, and perhaps building my own Poker simulator using a Statistics program called R.

    And, yup, I'm crazy Once I put my mind to it I'll be doing just that.

    Thanks to everybody for their comments, btw, they've really lifted my spirits!

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