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Was it a bad call!? should I folded?

Nov 3, 2008 9:25 pm Report Abuse

Last week, I played A Railbird Freeroll at FTP, on the very first hand, I got pocket Qs.
My position was Small Blind. Blinds are 15/30. One early player, Button limped in.

I made it to 150. Big Blind calls. the early player & button folds.

The flop was 7c 2d 5h. I bet 480 into 360 pot. the BB pushed all-in.

I thought he had a set. That's exactly what I thought. he called my raise before
the flop, then pushed all-in. that makes sense to me tho, for some reason, I just
didn't believe he had a set for no reason. just my instinct.

So, I called. And he turned over T5o... I felt pretty good of course and my read was right.
He had a pair tho.

and the turn was a brutal Td that made him a two pairs.

the river was a blank. then i lost.

If he had a set, I could let this hand go tho, T5o?? I made a mistake on the bet on
the flop tho. I over-betted, i guess. That made him think I had nothing. may be, may be not.

what do you think?? I think I played bad as well tho...


here is the exact log...
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Full Tilt Poker Game #8735478751: $200 Railbirds.com Freeroll (64816056), Table 46 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:01:00 ET - 2008/10/30
Seat 2: tantakatan (1,500)
Seat 4: gxo (1,500)
Seat 5: 56170 (1,500)
Seat 6: mikefreed1960 (1,500)
Seat 7: NCarolinaMan (1,500)
Seat 8: Dinei_SFC (1,500)
Seat 9: Deadly Silent (1,500)
tantakatan posts the small blind of 15
gxo posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tantakatan QcQs
56170 folds
mikefreed1960 has 15 seconds left to act
mikefreed1960 calls 30
mikefreed1960 is feeling confused
NCarolinaMan has 15 seconds left to act
NCarolinaMan is sitting out
NCarolinaMan has timed out
NCarolinaMan folds
Dinei_SFC folds
Deadly Silent calls 30
tantakatan has 15 seconds left to act
Deadly Silent: GL all
tantakatan raises to 150
gxo calls 120
mikefreed1960 calls 120
graziosi sits down
graziosi adds 1,500
tantakatan: u2
Deadly Silent folds
*** FLOP *** 7c2d5h
tantakatan has 15 seconds left to act
tantakatan bets 480
gxo raises to 1,350, and is all in
mikefreed1960 folds
tantakatan has 15 seconds left to act
tantakatan calls 870, and is all in
gxo shows Th5c
tantakatan shows QcQs
*** TURN *** 7c2d5h Td
*** RIVER *** 7c2d5hTd 6d
gxo shows two pair, Tens and Fives
tantakatan shows a pair of Queens
gxo wins the pot (3,180) with two pair, Tens and Fives
tantakatan stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,180 | Rake 0
Board: 7c2d5hTd6d
Seat 2: tantakatan (small blind) showed QcQs and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: gxo (big blind) showed Th5c and won (3,180) with two pair, Tens and Fives
Seat 5: 56170 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: mikefreed1960 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: NCarolinaMan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Dinei_SFC didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Deadly Silent (button) folded before the Flop





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chris87ltj Nov 3, 2008 9:30 pm
Thats a tough situation, not that I can make that fold everytime but being that early in the tourney I guess there is no reason to risk it all I mean he could of had a set like you thought. Turned out you made the right call and just got unlucky. But overall I think its to early in the tourney to take that risk, when you know nothing about his/her play.
JKravat Nov 3, 2008 9:35 pm
AHHH! Another one of those non-bird donk plays that hits in our FR against a Premium hand. I'm getting use to it anymore.
X_DragonKing Nov 3, 2008 9:39 pm
tough in the early stages, and when I get a big poc pair early on someone always thinks your just trying to make a move and be stupid so I let em I figure all in ... someone is gonna call then its just up to the gods if my pair holds..
jecolgan Nov 3, 2008 9:41 pm
too early in tourny to go all in with pckQs,,,after the guy calls the huge raise ida been a bit scairt of AA KK,,,mabey a set on flop,,overall to early in tourny to risk everything
bryan24 Nov 3, 2008 9:50 pm
Firstly, It's a freeroll so most logic goes out the window. Not saying there aren't some good players in freerolls (there are many) but there are many that will go all-in with any 2 as your example shows. The important thing for YOU to remember is that you cannot win the tournament on the first hand or any hand in the first hour for that matter. IMO folding was the correct play here since you would still be left with a good stack to play the rest of the tourney with. Good luck!!!!
woffice Nov 3, 2008 9:51 pm
Essentially, you played it right. From the looks of things, BB took your raise to be a big hand (A?/K?). So he was playing the low end, hit a pair and put you on overcards. Not that I'm giving him that much credit, but it's possible. Then you overbet the pot, which looks like a steal. But I bet that's what you were hoping for. He called your "bluff", pushed and got lucky.

Should you have followed? Depends on your read. If you thought he had a set, go with your instinct and fold. However, if you trust your pair read, I think you have to call. Just because he got lucky, doesn't mean that you were wrong for calling his bet. If you're reading AA/KK, you have to fold. You're not looking to get lucky, you want to play good poker. It's difficult to put your opponent on AA/KK because there was no re-raise pre-flop.

He was trying to get you off your hand. It didn't work, but he got lucky anyway. I'm not sure that there's too much you can do in that situation. Sure, you could have folded. But if you fold when you're sure you're ahead, when do you call?
FatBasset Nov 3, 2008 9:53 pm
I don't think you made a bad play. You got your money in a four to 1 favorite. I'm not sure you should give the guy credit for having a read on you, some people just play crazy early because its a freeroll.
PainRo Nov 3, 2008 9:54 pm
If you think you played wrong or call bad then what do you think about his hand. If you had T5 did you go all in?
steverino724 Nov 3, 2008 9:54 pm
dang man.. that does suck.. but i dohave to agree that early on in the tourney is a bad time to go all in. now had you hit the queen is a different story. it almost gives you the made hand and forces them to draw on a straight or their fullhouse. its a tough lay down i know, but ya do what ya do sometimes ya know?
woffice Nov 3, 2008 9:54 pm
To follow up: It is okay to fold when you don't have the absolute nuts and it's early in the tournament. It's even okay to fold when you have the best hand. You don't want to do that too often. But if it's apparent that your opponent is going to go all the way, no matter what, and you haven't improved your hand, it may be best to wait for a better situation to risk your entire stack.
tantakatan Nov 3, 2008 9:58 pm
Thank you all for your input.

Risking in the early stage was a bad part from me. that's true.
I didn't think of having AA, KK, AK, AQ since he didn't re-raise
my initial raise unless he was slow-playing... that's why I
thought he had a set initially.

May be the best option was to fold after all, i guess.
it is still early in the stage.
woffice Nov 3, 2008 10:09 pm
One final note I would add: If you're in this situation early, with multiple players, fold is DEFINITELY the correct play. In heads-up, it's dicier. You have to adjust your play for freerolls. There's just too much loose play. But don't go entirely the other way either. If you get yourself set in a mode of "I'm going to fold a good pocket pair when put to the test early on", you'll find yourself questioning a lot of your other decisions too. Mix it up and take some risks. Just try to limit the risks for all your chips until you get deeper in the tourney.
wuzzle Nov 3, 2008 10:17 pm
IMAO this is a freeroll and I've seen all too many donks pull this play all too many times as well as in tourneys w/ r&a in the early rounds . It's the any 2 card mentality. The only way I would consider laying down this type of hand is if A or K or both were flopped. After all it is a freeroll and it cost me zip, zero,nothing if I loose.
Now, if I have bought into a tourney and this happens, I might consider folding and probably would unless there are r&a and I have figured rebuying.
20_lb_stack Nov 3, 2008 10:30 pm
I don't think you played bad as far as the cards go but a freeroll is about survival. He could have had a set, slow played a big paired, even something like 6/8s,6/4s. In my experience only, doubling up early isn't nearly as important as making the first break. With a stack of 870 you wouldn't have been completely crippled in the opening rounds, one double up or a couple small pots and you're right back in it.
Paladin Nov 3, 2008 10:35 pm
Tough call, but it's the beginning of a freeroll, I think you made the right call and just got unlucky.
tantakatan Nov 3, 2008 11:25 pm
Thank you very much for your all kind & valuable comments.

If I consider whole entire tournament, I should have folded.
Well, I lost on that hand. that's the fact & I should let it go.

Thanks all!
piesk Nov 6, 2008 4:24 pm
nah good play...the bet may have been for the wrong reasons but as u said it was a good bet to make him think he may be able to take it with mid pair dump kicker and then it was a good call just got unlucky....alternatively..and this is much more likely... he wasnt thinking like that at all he just saw he hit mid pair and got an erecetion n shoved his stack in, not your bad play mate his...just got unlucky.

gl on and off the felts
Pie man
10sWild Nov 6, 2008 4:39 pm
to get the best discussions out of your hands, i think the best thing to do is not show the entire hand...leave the results out until after some replies come in...

with that said and me being a tight ass donk, if i was you and you read him as a set, why call there...
tantakatan Nov 6, 2008 4:48 pm
> 10sWild

As I described on my blog, I thought about a set at first, but I didn't believe he had a set instinctively. So just followed my instinct and that was right.

However I lost and learned something from it.
etrong Nov 6, 2008 5:02 pm
i would have pushed the q-q all-in -but remember donks call anything -

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