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How Should I Have Played It???

Nov 3, 2008 3:47 am Report Abuse

Here is the hand history, please tell me how I should have played this hand.

Full Tilt Poker Game #8784712260: Daily Double - B (66246323), Table 94 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:30:12 ET - 2008/11/02
Seat 1: krakil (5,550)
Seat 2: howielee (3,890)
Seat 3: Jaffa-x (2,075)
Seat 4: leavembroke (1,960)
Seat 5: AA-petepablo-KK (1,685)
Seat 6: coreylovesscott (12,335)
Seat 7: NotYou13 (4,225)
Seat 8: Loot_Wootz (5,475)
Seat 9: Penneywize9 (3,630)
NotYou13 posts the small blind of 20
Loot_Wootz posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to leavembroke KcKh
Penneywize9 folds
krakil has 15 seconds left to act
krakil folds
howielee folds
Jaffa-x calls 40
leavembroke raises to 180
AA-petepablo-KK folds
coreylovesscott folds
NotYou13 folds
Loot_Wootz calls 140
Jaffa-x has 15 seconds left to act
Jaffa-x folds
*** FLOP *** 4d2dQc
Loot_Wootz checks
leavembroke bets 320
Loot_Wootz has 15 seconds left to act
Loot_Wootz calls 320
*** TURN *** 4d2dQc 6c
Loot_Wootz checks
leavembroke bets 480
Loot_Wootz raises to 1,840
leavembroke calls 980, and is all in
Loot_Wootz shows Ac3c
leavembroke shows KcKh
Uncalled bet of 380 returned to Loot_Wootz
*** RIVER *** 4d2dQc6c 7c
Loot_Wootz shows a flush, Ace high
leavembroke shows a pair of Kings
Loot_Wootz wins the pot (3,980) with a flush, Ace high
leavembroke stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,980 | Rake 0
Board: 4d2dQc6c7c
Seat 1: krakil didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: howielee didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Jaffa-x folded before the Flop
Seat 4: leavembroke showed KcKh and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: AA-petepablo-KK didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: coreylovesscott (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: NotYou13 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Loot_Wootz (big blind) showed Ac3c and won (3,980) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: Penneywize9 didn't bet (folded)



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jecolgan Nov 3, 2008 3:52 am
mabey bet more at flop before turn?? i dont know,,looked like good play to me
p0ker_j0ker Nov 3, 2008 4:00 am
This is a tough one Leavem---just wondering what kind of a hand did you put him on?? callind down every street and pushing the river?? To be honest not sure what else you could have done except Push the turn. My thought was he was on the flush draw but didn't think it was clubs LOL.

I like the preflop play and the bet on the flop.
Evizzzzz Nov 3, 2008 4:02 am
tough hand, not much you can do about it, you played it well, things like this just happen, dont let it discourage you...
leavem Nov 3, 2008 4:11 am
I put him on A high, maybe AQ. And I was sure I had him when the chips went in after the turn. I figure there was really nothing I could do to change the outcome, but I am open to suggestions and critism.
Ronnieriverman Nov 3, 2008 4:14 am

tipical FTP players he was in an a str8 draw after the flop so it was gonna be hard to get him off that onlything i could say is preflop bet half your stack, dont really think anything was gonna get that off A sooted cards with his stack anyway but sorry I have had the same bad luck with KK too

skittles Nov 3, 2008 4:25 am
Something tells me that no matter what you did, he was in until the end. When he calls on the flop with nothing but 3 clubs, A high. He would have even called if you had pushed. I don't see where you could have done much differently. I mean, he is the one that got agressive on the turn, with nothing, you weren't going to bet him off the hand.
DoctorXious Nov 3, 2008 4:26 am
Unfortunately, you were playing against a lucky monkey. He wasn't going to fold, and if you pushed sooner, he would of called. If he's calling a pot-bet on the flop with A-high, he'll call a bigger bet too.

He wasn't folding on the flop, and on the turn, with a nut-flush draw, he's not folding either. He's a loose-aggressive donkey who likes to get lucky, and he probably has a low or negative RIO if he plays that way; a typical "morning glory".

It's a shame to lose that way, but that's poker. Sorry to se the bad beat...

-Doc
Phatcatman21 Nov 3, 2008 4:26 am
A push on the turn might have gotten him out but other than that I don't see how any other play would have made a difference. You just got unlucky.
p0ker_j0ker Nov 3, 2008 4:28 am
again im not sure what else you could have done, You read right with A high hard to see the back door flush. And even sicker that he is willing to play chase it.
I guess because he had you out chiped he felt it was worth playing but Personally I would have called and seen the river instead of shipping it if i was in his spot.

Guess check raise all in on the flop could have been a good option if you really put him on AQ. hard to see him checking behind with top pair top kicker
and than again if he does there is only a few scare cards 3 aces and 2 queens.
Its apparent this guy is not a solid player so its hard to make any assumptions about how he would play it. after all he shouldn't even have called the flop bet but still did and when his gut shot turned into a flush draw he played it like it was the nuts LOL is all i can say to him.

sorry for the ugly beat but you are a great player leavem and i know you will let it go and move on. you really didn't do any thing wrong
Ronnieriverman Nov 3, 2008 4:35 am

the guy had a str8 draw on the flop and a flush draw on the turn with his chips he wasnt folding

cj28000 Nov 3, 2008 10:26 am
nothing you could have done he was fishing and got lucky as they tend to do on fools tilt br />
you played it well just shrug your shoulders and move on
Golan Nov 4, 2008 2:16 pm
that just the way they fall. i see a solid hand play by u dont suprise me you are a great player
CRAINT_DEGUN Nov 4, 2008 2:30 pm
Lol...it's so easy now to say something about this hand (after seeing all cards)...seriously I think you played well..could do nothing more. Players who stick with their cards are often.
MaverickMechanic Nov 4, 2008 2:42 pm
Looks to me like he had decided to play no matter what, he had a straight draw after the flop the only way this guy was going to fold was maybe if you set him all in then, but you dont want him to fold you want his chips. He called from behind on every street and go paid off for a bad decision. Runner runner flush, poor play got paid, it happens, but he will lose in the long haul, but it is still irritating.
Naminuk Nov 4, 2008 2:42 pm
LOL. U completely missed played your kings. First of all You had to bet more preflop. You had one limper so you want to bet atleast 5BB in that spot. After that Bet full pot on the flop. But as i see the player was a fish chasing a gutshot so there was nothing you could do much. But bet more next time. Push all in on the flop if you see that your oponent is that kind of player he will call anyway, And thats what you want. As he basicly had 7 outs on the flop + backdoor draw. Dont worry you will win in the long run. . Personaly I am not getting invault into big pots in the first levels of the tournament as it is full of bad players like that one. I am limping in with hands like AK or QQ Becouse if id raise i would still get 3 or 4 callers and i dont want to play a big pot with big pair like QQ against so many people .
thinlizard Nov 7, 2008 7:52 pm

no, you didnt 'completely misplay your kings' for a start as a previous poster suggests.

You made a decent raise preflop and got a caller which is really what you want at that early stage and try to get chips in the pot. He calls with a weak ace. Thats his mistake.

You see a flop, like it and make another decent bet of nearly the pot and get called again by a rag ace drawing to 7 cards to make a hand giving him no odds to call you. He calls, his mistake.

You make another bet of 480 (maybe a push or pot size bet would have got him off it but i doubt it from his play and all his chips in the pot anyway), and he comes over the top on a semibluff needing to hit one of 15 cards, so thats gonna hit him only about 30% of the time, so you get your chips in with the best hand. And he gets the bit of luck he needed. Played correctly in my eyes.

So i cant see how the player underneath can say u played the hand completely wrong!? And if he says he doesnt raise with his big hands early to avoid getting called and raised, you will in the long run get into even more trouble calling and letting lots of players into the pot. If im raising with QQ, knowing that there is only 2 hands that have me dominated AA and KK, Then im raising into it. Ak still leaves you a slight fav, and you are ahead of the rest preflop. So if its early, raise it 3 to 4 the blinds, you want to plat the least amount of people. And if you get called by weaker hands, charge them for getting lucky, and if u dont like the flop, get out cheap. I would not advise limping with big pairs, especially early in a tournament.


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