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Need some good advice on tournament play...

Oct 16, 2008 4:47 am Report Abuse

I'm fairly new to Texas Holdem, so I try to play by the book as much as possible. I tend to play a tight, aggressive "conservative" style, which works great as long as I'm getting some good cards to play. I'll just wait for the premium hands and attack the more aggressive players. Usually by the first break, most of the table is folding to my raises. I just placed 5th in a $100 freeroll and 10th in a $30 freeroll this afternoon using this style of play.

PROBLEM:

Then there are those occasions where I can't buy a decent hand. I'll start out waiting for the big hands, folding hands like A3, QT, T9s, J9s, etc... which sometime are the best hands I'll see for a tournament. Whenever I find myself in this situation, it plays out in 1 of 2 ways... but always ending with an early exit from the tourney.

a. I continue to wait for the big hands until my stack is so small I end up pushing all-in, with the best hand possible. (KTs, AT, A9, Q9s, etc...) Of course the big stacks often call and even if they dont have the best hand, they end up winning it on the river or with Ace high.

b. I become impatient and try to limp in with mediocre hands. If the flop opens up some possibilities, such as a Flush. I will often chase, 4-Suited all the way to the river calling any small bets along the way. (Hence the nickname 4FlushCrush).

- 4FlushCrush



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libertytexan Oct 16, 2008 5:14 am
Its ok to play conservative at the start if you want but you need to open up your hand requirements long before you reach the all-in or fold stage. This is especially true with online tournaments and their quickly escalating blinds. In my opinion switching to limping is weak, you need aggression and to take down some blinds. You can't do that when you limp.
4FlushCrush Oct 16, 2008 5:18 am

Where's TC when you need him? LoL I may have included too much info... if so, I'll just have to repost and edited version tomorrow. :-))

SHERRY524 Oct 16, 2008 5:22 am
Sometimes the cards just don't come. One thing you can do is try to steal blinds if you are keeping with a tight image you may get by this way until your cards change. Its hard to keep the patience in situations like that especially in freerolls. Just look for opportunities take this time while folding to watch the table and look for holes.
foxhound_one Oct 16, 2008 5:30 am
I like to play A3, QT, T9s, J9s, in later position as possible. And if its folded round to me i will generally raise 3x the bb with these hands. Playing premium cards is great but they won't win yu the tourney. I play connectors in late position too. And flushing, i don't know.
4FlushCrush Oct 16, 2008 5:11 pm

I think you hit the nail on the head, libertytexan. Instead of limping, I should be playing these weaker hands like I would a "top" hand such as AK. I think I've been too worried about losing the hand if someone calls my "semi" bluff with a better hand. Now I realize that I can either make a play to better my situation OR keep on waiting for a "top" hand to play until I have no choice but to push all-in. At this point, I wont have enough chips to keep anyone from calling with any hand.

Thank you for all the feedback Railbirds!

TheKittennn Oct 16, 2008 5:21 pm

I would give you my advice but as you know I cannot count or read properly lmao!

All kidding aside, I am with liberty he/she hit it and you need to play aggressively.

gogetta69 Oct 16, 2008 5:23 pm

4Flush,

I have the same problem... looking forward to hearing what results you get from trying some of these suggestions.

topcat1954 Oct 16, 2008 5:33 pm

When the cards just won't come for you, it is even more important than ever to play your position strong ! You have to keep up with the blinds, to have any fold equity ! If you are playing with reasonably skilled players, they will see you only playing a limited number of pots, and respect your raises !

I think it pays to play a few speculative hands if you can get in to see a flop cheap early in a game. To hit two pair, or trips, with suited connectors will crush someone who isn't expecting you to play those hands.

One of the hardest things to learn in poker, is to play lower or weaker cards like they were a strong starting hand, but we have all heard it before, you have to play the player, more than the cards ! This means raising in position sometimes, and collecting a pot, when you really don't have the cards to support the raise, but you feel your opponent will fold to a raise !

If the board is scary, use it to your advantage, when you combine a scary board with position on a player, you have a strong chance of winning a pot, with any two cards ! Just don't try to power out more than one, or at the most two players, because more than that, and you will usually have a hand against you strong enough to call !

....play on ...Tc...

ButtonDog Oct 16, 2008 5:46 pm
You never said anything about position in your blog. You may think about trying to play some of those cards you mentioned when you are in late position with limpers or folders betting in front of you.

Of course if your luck runs like mine you only get those cards in early position where there is no doubt that you should fold them and get really bad cards in late position.

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