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Hellmuth Antics

Oct 15, 2008 7:52 pm Report Abuse

Phil Hellmuth's tirades in the WSOP Main Event were really over the top, even for him. Repeatedly calling Dragomir an idiot after he called his raise wih 10, 4 and then hit the 10 the flop. Hellmuth should have been sent to the rail for verbal abuse but was not. A qualifier would have certainly been given a timeout. Then again, a qualifier would not act like that.

Here's a view from the rail of the same incident. (it says he was penalized, but aside from ranting, he did not go to the rail).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URcB47kUZUk



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KatAtonic Oct 15, 2008 7:58 pm
When Matusow is telling him he was out of line,way out of line,I think Phil should have gotten a clue.
DarkOdin Oct 15, 2008 8:00 pm

it was an idiot call with 2 potential live cards. you go broke real quick making those calls.

tigerlil Oct 15, 2008 8:05 pm
You could see Phils face getting red- he was mad- he has no control, he needs to make an appointment with his wife the Dr.
Lou-dog Oct 15, 2008 8:06 pm
well i cant believe we are actually having this conversation. phil is an ass most of the time. however, he is prolly the greatest texas player to ever play texas. that isnt to say he should treat people like shit but he believes his way of playing is the right way and that is why he goes on the tirades.
leavem Oct 15, 2008 8:24 pm
He was penalized after the fact, but the penalty was revoked before the next days plays, so once again he acts however he wants and gets away with it.
CyberSleuth7 Oct 15, 2008 8:29 pm
He was the best tournament player, definately not now. He cannot adjust his thought process to the game as it has evolved. He can only act out with frustration when he doesn't understand why another player would have the audacity to call his raise. He did the same thing when a well known online player Roothlus (Adam Levy) called a raise with Q,10 and made a straight. The point is, he has no self control, and should have been penalzed.
apfjr Oct 15, 2008 8:42 pm
I loved to see the whole table and whole crowd laugh at the guy. He never treats any amature with any kind of respect whatsoever. I am just glad mikey was there to talk him down. I am also very proud of dragamir for the way he handled himself
CAchipeater Oct 15, 2008 9:13 pm

It's obvious that this has become apart of his game he belittles the poker players that call him with junk so they will think about their play and if they try it again bam he shows them the nuts just ask scotty, it works, and if your surprised that phill would do something like this then you havn't been watching poker that long.

Johnnyarms1 Oct 15, 2008 9:25 pm
Time for some prozac for Phil. All these beats by players on Phil, couldnt happen to a nicer guy!
ksuhart Oct 15, 2008 9:30 pm
DarkOdin Oct 15, 2008 8:00 pm

it was an idiot call with 2 potential live cards. you go broke real quick making those calls.

Phil as much as told the table he had AK the way he went on and on about his opponent having Aces or Ace Queen. So he had to know his cards were live, no potentially about it....

Dragomir said it best when he pointed out that he actually "PAID" the 10k to play(therefore could play any two cards anyway he pleased) and Phil was freerolling on UB s dime(so basically Phil stfu)...

CyberSleuth7 Oct 15, 2008 9:33 pm
The tirades after the beats by Levy and Dragomir were not part of his game. He was literally shaking. He has a sense of entitlement when he raises preflop. There is a difference between infuencing play with your actions and losing your mind.
wolffmann Oct 15, 2008 9:41 pm
that arrogant punk!!! i could not belive the way he was acting....a pro with his cradentials acting like a little baby!! I dont think it was for the cameras either...he was talking and acting in such an authentic manner. I lost all respect for him and his 7 braclets. The real sad thing here is chatting has become so abusive... people see this on T.V. and think its an accepted part of the game. Dont get me wrong...a little ribbing is a fun part of playing ...along with a bit of trash talking...thats good stuff. But for him not to be penalized or punished is just wrong for the game and think if there should be a conduct rule implimented. With all the exposure poker has now, the governing bodies HAVE to revisit rules and conduct. If not this sort of behavior will put a very dark cloud over one of the greatest games known to man. Your a freakin professional...have some cooth Hellmuth and show some class ya jagbag!
Hamburgers Oct 15, 2008 10:04 pm
"Honey I'm all in for 600K" "Honey he called me with a Q 10" Shut up! Your wife doesn't even care what you are doing. She doesn't even want to be there... when you play poker she goes by her maiden name. and Wolffman... Phil has 11 bracelets =/ But he is a jackass.
wolffmann Oct 15, 2008 11:29 pm
Thanks for the correction Hamburger..
p0ker_j0ker Oct 15, 2008 11:45 pm
When Mike "the mouth" is the voice of reason you know there is something wrong with the situation!!!!!!!!!

The is no reason what so ever to act the way he did- even with all his records in holdem In my opinion Phil is a negative Influence in poker!!! and the main reason we see some many rude people online. I wish one time his wife would just say STFU and play!!!!!!
I was very happy to see Dragomir stand up for himself he is absolutely right its his money and if he wants to spend it trying to bust the jackass at the table he is allowed to to it.
If Hellmuth would learn some self control and keep his mouth shut at the tables far less players would make these kinds of plays vs him but he really brings it on himself and I dont blame other players for wanting to bust him.
locochaser Oct 16, 2008 12:16 am

Considering some of the stuff Phil was raising with -- especially after he got 'caught' with J4o -- how could he be surprised that opponents were starting to call his raises with less than premium cards?

Of course, after watching those Hellmuth tirades on the WSOP, I get the sense that a lot of players on Stars and FT use Phil as their behavior model.

mechanic Oct 16, 2008 12:24 am
lol hellmuth raises so many hands with junk and when he sucks out he is the greatest player ever. but when he gets called or re-raised it is an idiot play against the great un-beatable phil. he makes me laugh so hard. he thinks he is being sneaky an by ranting an raving will get less calls an re-raises. what it really does is invite more calls an re-raises. yes he should be penalized make him sit on the rail for 20 minutes or so an he would start keeping his mouth shut. but it makes for good tv or else they would not have him on feature table so often.
Johnnyarms1 Oct 16, 2008 12:41 am
Bounce the Bum!
No-Trick-Ric Oct 16, 2008 1:18 am
From a business perspective UB will be happy with the media exposure Phils antics have given them for their 10k buy in (+ what ever the sponsership is worth).

From a viewer perspective what cheap entertainment (cost of my Foxtel subscription)

From Dragomirs perspective he won and got chips.

From Phils perspective, he lost chips,respect and credability just as Scotty Nguyen did in the HORSE (except Scotty did win I the tourney).

As the popularity of poker has growen so has the size of some egos it appears to me. The "pros" should understand that the size of the prize pool is made larger by the large amatuer participants not by the number of "pros".

Ever notice that when one of the name "pros" does a similar thing and wins the hand it is called a "move" or "great read" but a not so well known player/amatuer it is a "donk/idiot" play.
SaltWaterTaff3y Oct 16, 2008 1:59 am
Phil was right. The IDIOT that called with the 10/4 will go broke and wont go anywhere far..inless he gets lucky. Peace salt

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