Matrix SnG's

when i logged on this afternoon I posted a blog about this and noticed there were a few others here is some links on what every said about this new structure

http://www.railbirds.com/blog/206001/new-matrix-format-on-ftp.html

http://www.railbirds.com/blog/206005/my-first-and-last-matrix-sng.html


http://www.railbirds.com/blog/206000/tried-new-matrix-tournaments.html

I think you may be right. It may just be a way to spread the payouts around a little more, so potentially everyone could make a little of their buy-in back, rather than just three players, although if everyone gets a little, then probably no one is making a profit, or not much of one anyway. And people like things that are new, and different, but the benefits are certainly just equal to or lesser than a normal SnG. I played one at the $1 level to try it out, did fairly well, got 2nd overall with a 1st and two 2nds, which earned me a little over $2.50, so about double my buy in, but the play was kind of frantic and I don't like playing multiple tables at the same time, although playing against the same opponents helps a bit with reading from table to table. The only question I have about these tournaments is whether or not the matrix points translate into full tilt points. If that is the case, then there is a small bonus as compared to the regular tourneys, if FTpoints matter to a player. But I doubt that is the case, so I am with you, and I think these are like putting a sleek new package on an inferior product to attract more revenue. And that's my couple o' pennies.

Ah, I just read the Matrix page on FTP.com, and I saw that if you manage to win all 4 tables, you get the entire Matrix prize pool, so technically, you could win $54 at the $10 level, rather than $45. It seems like a small benefit for the big challenge it would be to win four SnG's simultaneously, but some people may like the challenge and the potential to win a bit more. I'm still not going to play these very often, if ever again, but I do see the slight possibility for more profit than a normal SnG, so it makes a bit more sense now. That's my third penny

I don't support this format at all !

...Tc...

Wow, shows how smart railbirds are, you probably dont even understand the concept of variance and probability. The advantage with these sngs is that you play 4 sngs instead of 1 sng to determine how much money you are paid out. This decreases variance, yes the amount of money in the prize pool is still the same, because the buy in is the same and the number of people buying in is the same, 9 x 10 = 9 x 10 = 9 x 10, but the probability that you will lose your whole buy in is greatly decreased, if you knew what a bell curve was you would maybe understand.

And yes, it is an idiotic format, playing one 10 dollar matrix sng is the same as playing 5 2 dollar sngs.

Strictly a marketing ploy, IMO. FT gets paid regardless. They never lose. Many players do and after a while decide not to deposit anymore. Give the losers a 'little' piece of the pie and it keeps them coming back, and reloading.

If you win all four tables, you scoop the extra Matrix winnings, so it's potentially more than 45$. But yah, it's just a way to spread out the winnings

I've actually played in one... a $1+.25 one... you need at least a 1st and a 3rd to break even, and to win the bonus you can't finish worse than 6th in any of them.
Frankly, it's a waste of money... unless the rake is small, in which it might be worthwhile.

Ok..had to try it. I don't care for it either.

The leaderboard once it starts is different than the one you have.

They show the overall standings..how many pts that person has, how many they can get, and how many the project that person getting (based on rank at each table they are currently involved in)

You get 1 point for outlasting a player, and 2 pts for knocking a player out. Your points are then added up for each table. Your points for each table are then added together to give you your overall. Theoretically, you could win a table, pointwise, without winning the table. Place second and knock out each of the players behind you.

It is pretty much a gimmic game that I don't see surviving. You are going to get the few that do like it, and keep playing. We'll see.

Anyway...the one that I did try...I finished 4th of 6 in. I did win one table and got 2 KO's....that alone was enough to make it so the sng (a 1.25 buy in) only cost me 47 cents to play. At least i didn't lose much to try it out.

The 25% rakes are still too high for ANY STT or MTT. Thought of several other items on them. It makes FT's activity look stronger. If they have 100 matrix games ongoing, the table count increases to 400. Makes them look 'busier' than they are and they are still tryting to find ways to catch up to Stars.

It also reduces the number of players multi-tabling. How many of you could join 3 matrix games - at one time?

If the 'points' thingy is to go toward FTP s, then that's pretty ridiculous. Tilt's point structures are unreal in their store. Similar items on Stars are roughly 1/3 the points required on FT. Great marketing concept - they get you thinking 'points', while they take your money - lol.

you cant compare a $10 Matrix sng to a $10 9 player sng, you would compare it two 5 $2 sng. if you normally play $2 sngs you would play $10 Matrix sngs. this works for multitablers, they dont have to pay attention to 32 diff people when playing 4 tables just 8. you can get a good read on a player if you can study them playing 4 games

I haven't read through all the comments to this blog, but here is how I see it.. and yes I have played one. For those that don't want a lucky one outer to knock them out of a tourney, they get 4 chances at it with all the same players. Not only will you get money for each win at the table, but you will also get paid for your overall performance. It's a chance to prove that you aren't a lucky donk, but you can beat the same people overall on all 4 tables. It almost eliminates the factor that luck plays on SnG tournies and allows good to keep most and more potentially win more of their bankroll back. All you need is a 1st place and a 2nd place finish on 2 of the 4 tables (on the $11 6 man versions of this) to get your buyin back. Anything after that is for the profit. It just makes you feel safer basically..

lol.. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this as a ploy to make some ca$hola. Hey, more power to'em... bid'ness is bid'ness. But you can't make a silk purse out of a Donkey's ear.

And slavo.... what's with the 'tude, dude? I asked an honest question. I may not be MENSA material, but I also don't have to worry about tripping over my ego I'm not an idiot-savant, but I'm halfway there Your self-importance will be a greater impediment to your progress both on the poker-playing fields, but also while walking among the hallways of humanity. Chill

There ya go ghockey. Good answer... makes more sense that way.

slavocash

Oct 15, 2008 3:15 pm

Wow, shows how smart railbirds are,

slavocash

Oct 15, 2008 3:16 pm

heeheehee... sic 'em Pookie

I tried one today and won, but it took me and hour and twenty minutes to win less than I would have won in a shorter time in a sng.

I won't be playing any more of them though they are fun to go up against the same players on four different table.

It is possible to win all four games, but still get second place because of the point system, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Shiz - you made my night - I'm still roflmao and that doesn't happen very often.

nick... glad to help