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is poker rigged????

Oct 13, 2008 8:13 pm Report Abuse

PokerStars Game #21163693418: Tournament #113949269, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/10/13 14:03:02 ET
Table '113949269 1' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: krissy44 (1240 in chips)
Seat 2: toto0001 (775 in chips)
Seat 3: jockel007 (1415 in chips)
Seat 4: EAST COST 22 (1680 in chips)
Seat 5: legend1409 (1720 in chips)
Seat 6: mircoman (2170 in chips)
legend1409: posts small blind 50
mircoman: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to toto0001 KsQs
krissy44: folds
toto0001: raises 675 to 775 and is all-in
jockel007: folds
EAST COST 22: folds
legend1409: folds
mircoman: calls 675
*** FLOP *** 4h4c5h
toto0001 said, "what?"
*** TURN *** 4h4c5h Kh
toto0001 said, "what?"
*** RIVER *** 4h4c5hKh Jd
toto0001 said, "what?"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mircoman: shows 7c4s (three of a kind, Fours)
toto0001: shows KsQs (two pair, Kings and Fours)
mircoman collected 1600 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1600 | Rake 0
Board 4h4c5hKhJd
Seat 1: krissy44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: toto0001 showed KsQs and lost with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 3: jockel007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: EAST COST 22 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: legend1409 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mircoman (big blind) showed 7c4s and won (1600) with three of a kind, Fours

come on!!! how can he risk 1/2 of his chipstack with 47 off???... there isnt an explanation of this stupid and donkey move!!! im done with all this ***** move that cost me lot of money at pokerstars!!! damn i hate so much donkies!!!



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Elmoooy Oct 13, 2008 8:19 pm
Well!!!!!! Yes theres a reason, but im sure you dont want to hear it. First of all 74 is connector, you were short stacked, big stack tends to call. Im not saying you were wrong to go all in with KQ suited, but maybe you should have checked it. Ive started calling my connectors and suited connectors and ive noticed that im winning more hands that way, please remember that when you are playing poker, its a 5 card game on board not three or two. Tough luck my friend, AA gets cracked too, learn to read.
njkexteriors Oct 13, 2008 8:22 pm
***** yes its rigged so morons like microman and elmoooy have a shot. it has to feed the stupid people to keep them playing.
leavem Oct 13, 2008 8:23 pm
No and if you truly think it is rigged then stop playing now. 'Nuff said.
fold-intern Oct 13, 2008 8:23 pm

Yes poker is rigged!

Every hand you go all in with preflop can be beat

Elmoooy Oct 13, 2008 8:24 pm
I'm just telling you what i learned, dont get mad becuase you lost with pair kings to straight - thats a smart player, who knows what cards to call. Its not donkey its knowing HOW to play poker.
TexquinOntilt Oct 13, 2008 8:25 pm
They are probably watching you through your webcab, the sites have a way to do a reverse look up, really, they are out to get your $3 buy in.
tgtinga Oct 13, 2008 8:26 pm

With 3 -4s on the flop i too would have stayed in. and when to river came up i most likely go all in and took you for more chips or went busted thats poker

Fcumred Oct 13, 2008 8:30 pm

Debating hands is one thing. Getting downright insulting is something altogether different.

No need for the insults and abuse..

Would you be on here whining if he'd had AA and your KQ had cracked the aces. No you wouldnt..

lewis010 Oct 13, 2008 8:32 pm

74 is connector???.. well ok, then 26 is also conector.. come on!!! how can you call 7bb.. yes 7! with these hand... i admit i was shorstack but 7bb, 7!!!! omg you defend his game??? he play well???.. ok im done with this... in the 20.00 hs rebuy tournament i was dealt AA... i pushed all in and one player calls me with Q7suit.... and he hit the flush in the river and when i told him he did he calls with these weak hand he told me... its a rebuy tournament.... to me these words are like.. lets play like stupid donkeys because i have too much money to make rebuys!!!

damn i have over 200$ without making any deposit and i know there are bad streaks but calling 7BB with 47 off.. no way dude, u cant justify that!!!!!!

XPOKERCHIC Oct 13, 2008 8:37 pm
I understand how you feel. For every bad beat that I get I have given one. Not meaning to do it, but if the price is right for me to call or if I am priced in and I have live cards (suited connectors, small pp) I am going to call!. Poker is gambling and if you look up the definition of that word you will see that it is a risk. X
TMHawk11 Oct 13, 2008 8:42 pm
it wasnt 1/2 his chips maybe it is math that you have the problem with. He was the chip leader and saw the short stack tring to make a move. It was only 675 to call so he did, it happens that is why you dont put all your chips in the pot if you dont have the nuts. And by the way KQ isnt that good of a hand against to random calleds. gl And maybe next time wait for a better spot to move.
Fcumred Oct 13, 2008 8:44 pm

Everyone makes calls they shouldnt at some stage. If you are telling me you havent, then you lying.

You raised all in with nothing. You wanted a coinflip. You got what you wanted.

OK 7 4 isnt maybe the best hand to have called with, I agree, but you were shortstacked. You must have been shortstacked for a reason. Perhaps you were playing too many hands, playing too loose...

Sometimes its all too easy to blame everyone else when the truth is, the problem maybe lies closer to home....

TexquinOntilt Oct 13, 2008 8:52 pm
In a 9 man SNG you shouldn't be playing anything but AA,KK, and maybe QQ or JJ in position, until the blinds are min 50/100, I usually wait til 100/200, so you were already short stacked? I agree with Fcumred , probably played too many hands.
lewis010 Oct 13, 2008 9:01 pm

first of all i dont want a coinflip.... and kq suit is a very good preflop hand ( much better in a 6 table)..

ok this will be my last reply in this blog because im really done with some comments ( almost all the coments)

ok, ymhawk11, he wasnt risking 1/2 of his chipstack he was risking more than 1/3 of his stack, sorry for my mistake. however if you know your chances of winning the hand are less than 33% so 1 in 3 why will you risk those chips?? why cant he wait for a better hand like kj, kq, k10 even qj in order to make a call... im not saying that if my chistack was 200 instead of 775 and i bet 200 ( all in) his move is wrong, because he only have to pay 2bb, so its ok becase he didnt risk an important chipstack.. in fact i was betting 775 ( more than 7bb)

so my question is.... why did he call a bet knowing that his chances of winning are in the best case less than 35%??? he is understate me because i had a short chipstack?

Fcumred Oct 13, 2008 9:08 pm

If you didnt want a coinflip then why did you shove all in..

Oh sorry, you expected everyone to just fold and let you walk away with chips whenever you like.

He was simply defending his blinds. Are you saying you wouldnt do the same thing. Especially against a loose cannon whos blown half his chips in no time at all..

Yes he was behind, but you shoved all in knowing there was a risk that you could get called. If you got called you were in a coinflip situation and then you are open to the lap of the gods..

You were right to shove as the shortest stack, with that hand. But equally he was just as entitled to defend his blinds against someone who he perceived to be loose as hell

jusfoldf1sh Oct 13, 2008 9:09 pm

LOL
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u shoulda quit b4 writing this IMHO

Makwa Oct 13, 2008 9:27 pm

Stop this rigged BS please such a waste of time. Go read the thousands of threads already posted on the same theme, before starting another, PLEASE!!!

Just another hand, grow up.

Fcumred Oct 13, 2008 9:32 pm

so my question is.... why did he call a bet knowing that his chances of winning are in the best case less than 35%??? he is understate me because i had a short chipstack?

Because he bloody well wanted to. Thats the answer. Like it or not, thats the way it goes. You arent going to get anything any plainer than that.

nevadanick Oct 13, 2008 9:41 pm

No, lewis, nothing is 'rigged'. It's just what online poker is turning into. Many players cannot stand to fold a hand - no matter what it is. ATC will do just fine - for many of them. Most of the online players are also very likely lotto players. 1 in 9,550,000 to win, but they play anyway.

Not at all 'justifying' it, but he was last act. All others had folded. I would have folded to you, but then, I'm an old school player and still save my cash for live play - mostly because of 'gambling' moves like this that sooooo .many players are using.

Your 35% 'may' be correct, didn't look it up. Problem here is - he hit his 35%. There HAS to be that 35% that will hit. This time - it did.

Look at elmooy's reply. Says they are 'connectors'. Actually, they are 'gappers', not connectors. Only Wikipedia defines them as 'connectors' and I've never seen Wikipedia play a hand of poker. All/most other pro and knowledgeable writers will call them gappers. Online poker is evolving, and it's getting ugly. Play anything, call anything, change term names, and call it 'gambling'.

Think about it - in MTT's, about 2/3 of nlhe players are busted the first hour. Why? It sure isn't because of their superior play gone bad - it's their bad play that stays bad. The miracle card one-outer hot streakers seldom, if ever, make the final tables.

So yes, in a way there IS an explanation. It's bad play that hits a low percentage of sukouts. The adrenalin junkies love this kind of play.

I just doubled up in an MTT (from being shorty) with an A,2o villain (no hearts) pushing against 3 hearts on the turn (to my hole hearts). Pushing his pair of 2's and calling my re-raise to his bet on those deuces. Go figure. Guess he couldn't stand to fold that HUGE pair with that MONSTER ace kicker.

So, the 'justification' is - it's ONLINE poker at it's finest.

Elmoooy Oct 13, 2008 9:44 pm
Thank you Neva! for the correction - Im not a pro poker player but i do know pro players do play them hands because, oh wait, its worth something!

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