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Daily Poker Quiz? WHAT? PLEASE READ

Oct 11, 2008 6:27 am Report Abuse

First off, I def want to say ...I love the idea of the Daily poker quiz, I really respect it and 90% I agree and they do , do a great job! But, today... I hop on to check it out....

Today, you're on the button with 97 of Hearts and $500 in chips. Almost all players at this (full) table have between $300 and $1,000, apart from a shortstack or two.

UTG and UTG+2 limp. Your right-hand neighbor raises big, to $15. What should you do?

Um.... I won't say what the answer is... if you want to know go try it out. BUT what they said to do..is TERRIBLE play. With the small blind and big blind behind you still to act and a strong UTG limp and a UTG+2 limp. What they say to do , and I really hate this term, is a DONK move. 95% of the time you are straight DOMINATED. Thats not your normal button call. UTG and UTG+2 calling.... just because they didn't raise means nothing, even calling in that position shows strength. and for someone to see that strength and raise nearly 7x RIGHT INTO IT WITH THE BUTTON AND BLINDS AFTER. shows ENORMOUS strength. Not to meantion you are not getting any pot odds, and can not count your implied odds yet. I just have to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with today's daily poker quiz.

I would really love to hear what others have to say...

P.S. sense everyone seems to respond something about good chance against AA KK QQ AK JJ.....

OK EVERYONE

AA vs 9h 7h = 21% to win

KK vs 9h 7h = 21% to win

QQ vs 9h 7h = 21% to win

AKsuited vs 9h 7h= 37% to win still no!!!

and JJ vs 9h 7h = 19% to win!!!

So .... really??? you go and call 7x raise, with no pot odds. AND GET THOSE PERCENTAGES???

if any pro looked down at that hand, with the action already in the pot. and the strength UTG calls. and then that 7x raise. AND two people still to act....lol...they wouldn't even bat an eye at 97 "suited" it would be in their hands for less then two seconds....I dont even think Gus Hanson would play it in that position.



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Deucejr22 Oct 11, 2008 6:28 am

Anyone?

McSweg Oct 11, 2008 6:35 am

i have 2 agree with u completely they have some strange right answers sometimes but this takes the biscuit

wtf worst 1 ive seen yet

mcwoooooooooooooooossh

PRBBLUFF1 Oct 11, 2008 6:36 am
im right with you on this one.....if you dont hit some random trips or donk strait thats about all that can help.i would fold 100% of the time here
Deucejr22 Oct 11, 2008 6:39 am
Right?? that is unheard of!?? Just god awful play... and if you play...you cant fully be playing your cards... you have to intend on makin a move? I mean... I don't know..
Henreiman Oct 11, 2008 6:39 am
Completely agree. I thought the exact same thing, and I imagine my response was the exact same as yours (button all the way to the left, perhaps?)
topcat1954 Oct 11, 2008 6:42 am

I happen to agree with the quizmaster tonight, and that is rare ! That is the kind of hand that a good cash game player wants to have in a multiway, raised pot ! It is the kind of hand that you can either cash big when it hits, or fold eaisly if it doesn't ! Mid suited connectors, and 1 gappers, are the drawing hands that crush hands like AA... KK...AK...Aq, and JJ. This time, he is right !

....play on ...tc....

Deucejr22 Oct 11, 2008 6:44 am
sorry tc... normaly i agree with you on your posts. but, its not 98 or 109 its 97!!? a split suited connecter. you are looking at MAYBE 10% chance of winning... you cant play liek like 9/10 you will lose and your play will never equal out.
REGULATOR0 Oct 11, 2008 6:46 am
I DID RAISE $100- REALLY NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG , THERE ARE TOO MANY VARIABLES THAT THE QUESTION DOESN'T SAY AND COULDNT SAY-
OR ASK I SHOULD SAY .
Deucejr22 Oct 11, 2008 6:48 am
If we are not playing the player in this situation. that is terrible play. now i could POSSIBLY understand if you know the players play and can read off of the raise. but it is not that type of question so you don't have to READ that much into it.
Phil922 Oct 11, 2008 6:50 am
well none of the questions are 100% right. there are so many diff situations and variables. 97 isnt a bad hand here though, you are hoping that the raiser has AA, KK, QQ and you will hit some strange flop and win all the money. this question is more about implied odds
ZG925 Oct 11, 2008 6:56 am
I stopped entering the daily poker quiz because of the "exotic" (read stupid) correct answers. I used to argue with Railjoe, that's why I'll alwyas be pink.
RaDaCol Oct 11, 2008 7:02 am
I agree with the quizmaster on this one. The small investment could pay out big, and is easy to get rid of if nothing comes your way on the flop.
Fraggles Oct 11, 2008 7:04 am

You guys all missed the little piece of information that is never given in the question and today the missing info is that you are DRUNK OFF YOUR ASS given that info then yes the answer is correct

bugs99 Oct 11, 2008 7:05 am

I agree with you. Why bother getting involved?

bigpoppaboats Oct 11, 2008 7:28 am

OK if I hadn't heard it from Tc and understood I might agree with you BUT suited connectors in multi way pots are good cards. If you call chances are that might give sb and bb to call and utg and utg+ 1 so you are potentially looking at a 4 to5 way pot in which big hands like AA KK QQ are not so good and mid suited connectors rule.

Yep I got the question. In a HU I would dump that shite like it aint no thing but in a big multi way pot. give em here and lets see that flop.

Peace, J

niccollette Oct 11, 2008 7:36 am
i got it right...position
Deucejr22 Oct 11, 2008 7:45 am
if any pro looked down at that hand, with the action already in the pot. and the strength UTG calls. and then that 7x raise. they wouldn't even bat an eye at 97 "suited" it would be in their hands for less then two seconds....
XPOKERCHIC Oct 11, 2008 7:50 am
CALL 1-800-FOLD-NOW, cause that hand needs to be folded. If you reraise and hit some monster hand against Aces or Kings, even Queens, you will be known as the donk. I would rather fold a hand that ended up being a monster than to call all my chips off and lose. X
larry1dart Oct 11, 2008 7:59 am
From experience I can tell you if you only play big starting hands in a cash game you won't make any money. People will find out your solid and won't play against you when your'e raising and if you just sit there waiting in position you will lose money. But I would not have done what quizzie did either, simply because I value my money. If I was rich I would call in a heartbeat. One thing you have to think about is that in a multi way pot there are people holding alot of big cards and there cards will likely match up, like AK AQ QQ etc.. the odds of your cards hitting the board would be much more likely then the odds you think because you are looking at heads up hands not a multi way hand Deuce. In a tourney I would fold that hand in a second even if I was rich, but it isn't that bad a play if you want to make money and you have lots of it LOL. GL!!
Dane_Ripper Oct 11, 2008 8:10 am
Sorry Deuce but the quizmaster is dead right
You gave some percentages at the end there, but they were for hands with just two players. Put all 5 in the hand together, ie AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 7-9 suited, then check out the numbers:
AA: 41%
KK: 15%
QQ: 12%
JJ: 11%
9-7: 18%
In this case the AA has the best percentage, but, the 7-9 suited is next best. 4 big pps in the same hand is unlikely; if you try a more realistic hand with 5 players, lets say:
As-Kd vs Ks-Js vs Ad-10d vs 5c-5h vs 9h-7h check out the numbers:
As-Kd 16%
Ks-Js 20%
Ad-10d 16%
5c-5h 22%
9h-7h 24%

In today's quiz, calling is correct because you're assuming that UTG and UTG+2 will call, and BB might also call with the discount, meaning there should be 4-5 people in the hand, which is exactly what you want with a mid-range suited connecter.
Watch some High Stakes Poker- you can see it on youtube or download the series on torrent. Watch how they play suited connecters.
You're correct in saying that 9-7 is shitty one-on-one against big PPs, but in todays quiz, its a hand with several players. Calling is the way to go.

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