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injustice

Oct 7, 2008 7:22 pm Report Abuse

20 k guaranteed sunday on carbon poker 31 players left (20-30 place 150 $) I am 6st place whit 28000 chips and on my table one player have 40000 chips and go allin all the time and show the cards(10,3),(5,3) ............I got A,A and go all in he call with j,9 flop 9,9,Q I lose and finish 31st without any money so tell me is there justice.


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cozman Oct 7, 2008 7:30 pm
why risk it before the money? let someone else bust out first
topcat1954 Oct 7, 2008 7:35 pm

Your all in move was the mistake, not his call ! I just can not for the life of me understand why Railbirds keep going all in pre flop when they are NOT on a short stack, it is such a FOOLISH play, and there have been hundreds of blogs just like this one that prove it out !

....play on ...Tc....

tiltaholic Oct 7, 2008 7:59 pm

The push preflop is a good one in my opinion as your opponent is making a mistake to call. Of course it depends upon the blinds at the time.

I see so many making mistakes in deep tourney play. They keep making preflop raises of 3 & 4xbb deep in tourney, when 2.2 to 2.5 is standard for late tourney play. Also see them put in a raise preflop which is over 1/3 of their stack, when pushing is usually the correct play, giving one fold equity. If you're raising it up preflop, you'd better be raising something that you can call with when your opponent pushes back at you, otherwise you've just donked off a huge chunk of fold equity and are limiting your chances of placing well.

I personally find alot of the 'old school' cash game players are not overly familiar with tourney style play, especially in late stages of the game (once bubble is popped, and late in tourney), often still putting in preflop raises with a stack of less than 5M. As far as shoving it in here before bubble pops,... you were on a table with an idiot, obviously, and were risking your tourney life in this situation. If your stack was good enough to 98% guar. that you pop the bubble, why shove it in as an 87% fav. w AA, risking going out 13% of the time if called, when doubling up might only increase your 98% chance to 99.5 or what have you. It's tough to laydown big monster pairs preflop when approaching bubble, but unfortunately it is sometimes the right thing to do, especially if you're not in the pot first with them. Shoving it in first 'should' be the correct play though, as it is a mistake for your opponent to make the call, no matter what cards he's holding (folding AA here for him is the right play, although 99% of players won't be doing this). These evaluations aren't based upon my own thinking, but are based on opinoins by 'Action Dan' and other pros.

Too bad,... you were on a table with an idiot,.. but I think you knew that so playing any two cards was risky in this circumstance. Last night, 5 from bubble, I pushed and idiot called with 9-3o on a stack not much larger than my own... he caught 2pr. and out I went. I made the correct play in my opinion, but wished I'd folded the hand afterwards. I wasn't into 'just making the money' as my roll wasn't in jeopardy and did want to leave myself in a position to move up the money ladder once bubble was popped. Sitting tight with 3M just wasn't my nature when sitting on KK and getting to be first to act in cutoff. Caller was pissed at me though from doubling up thru him a handful of orbits earlier.. he was calling me with any two cards but I didn't realize it at the time,.. not till it happened, lol.

GL! (try reading HOH Vol.2 for late tourney play,... you will like it!)

tiltaholic Oct 7, 2008 7:59 pm
His call was the mistake... obviously.
Ironman Oct 7, 2008 8:18 pm
I wouldn't say it is "Justice". In fact I don't really think "Justice" has very much to do with it at all.
What I would call it is "Poker"
I know it sucks, we have all been there but all you can do is learn from it and see what happens next time .
Good Luck On The Felt
poppa_cool Oct 7, 2008 8:25 pm
I agree that he made a bad call, but you were one spot from the money, so why put your tournament life at risk with any hand? Your chip stack was big enough that you could have crusied into the money and then you could take chances.

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