with all the ''newschool poker'' what is going on..to see as much flops as you can and hoping to get lucky, i came across this ''advice'' how to play against those ''players''.....it was written in dutch so i had to translate it, so therefor you will find some english errors in the blog im afraid of, lol......but please give me your opinion about this way of play
We cant say it too often, position is one of the most important aspects
of poker. If you have to make an decision after or later then your opponent
you have a hughe advantage on your opponent. If you really look close at your
tracking you will find out that you win more hands when you have position
on your opponent.
Limping, or with other words just flatcall the bb is a very bad strategy,
dont do it. If you wanna play a hand open a raise then.
When to raise?
UTG: this position you wanna play very tight. If you get a call
in this position, you have to play the rest of the hand out of position.
The is a big disadvantage.And therefor you only wanna play premium hands.
So in this position you open a raise with 22-AA, AJs+, AQs+ and KQs+.
UTG+1: This position you play the same as UTG with maybe once in a while
also TJs. So this position you also wanna play tight.
MID POS: This position you can play less tight. Here you wanna play the
same hands we talked earlier plus suited connectors and TJu, AXs, ATu,
9-10u and K9s and all suited one gapper from 6-8 and higher.
Button: this is the position to fire up.Here you wanna open 33-38% of all
hands, if everybody folds to the button. here you play aal hands we
talked earlier about plus AXs+, Ks+ all suited one gappers and all higher
suited 2 gappers.
The blinds: Here you wanna play again very tight, maybe even tighter
then UTG. In the blinds you are almost everytime in very bad position.
Calling too much hands in this position will cost you lost of chips.
Just dont do it. But if you still wanna play hands in this position
then 3-bet them. You dont wanna play suited small connectors and AXu
hands.With pocketpairs you can call altho even this is not always
a good move (small).
How much to raise:
About 4 times the BB + 1BB for every limper.
What to do when they call you?
Make an C-bet from about 75% of the pot. Here you will almost
win the pot in 85% of the time.
A few examples:
Hand 1:
UTG fold, UTG+1 limps in and you are in the MID Pos with 33.
What will you do?
Raise!! About 5 times the BB (4+ 1 BB).
Hand 2:
The MID POS limped in and you are the button with KQs.
What will you do?
The same, raise!!! About 5 times the BB.
Hand 3:
You are the BB with AQs and everybody limped in
(they like to play bingo). What is your next move?
Raise!! You have 5 limpers, so therefor you will
open a raise from 4 x the BB plus 5 x the BB (5 limpers)
so that is 9 times the BB, you can make it an even 10 bb raise.
Just pick up the pot preflop.
If you still get a call, then you still will have in 92%
of the time the best hand. After the flop you will make an C-Bet.
Do this C-Bet with hands that are good in heads up,
but bad in multiway, like AQs+ and 99+.
Suited connectors and low pocketpairs you dont mind to see
a ,multiway pot.
Hand 4:
UTG and UTG+1 limping in, you are the button with A9s.
What will you do?
Raise!! Six time the bb.
Both players call, and the flop brings Q92 rainbow.
Both villains checks to you.
What will you do?
C-Bet will now win you the pot 95% of the time
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"UTG: this position you wanna play very tight. If you get a call
in this position, you have to play the rest of the hand out of position.
The is a big disadvantage.And therefor you only wanna play premium hands.
So in this position you open a raise with 22-AA, AJs+, AQs+ and KQs+."
This seems a little loose to me from UTG, and you even state to play very tight?
so if you play only pocketpairs, AJ, AQ and KQ that is in your opinion a little loose?
ok
this advice is all well and good if everyone else at the table read the same book you did.
in the real world of online poker you have ultra aggresive players at every table.
you have people no matter what 2 cards you have you cant play them unless your allin.
and on certain sites they are set up to help the "weaker" players.
so when u get the ak suited and finally call the jackass at your table he turns over 94 and wins.
or you call him and he shows 22 that he pushed from utg and bust you every time.
apparently not everyone reads the same book you do.
in any online tourny you will be blinded out if you sit waiting on premium hands.
you have to be willing to gamble and hope your better hands hold up occasionally.
most of the tournys i have won i never saw pocket aces or kings the whole time.
on the other hand aa and kk have busted me out of tournys more than all other hands combined.
your advise might be good for a cash game with a table full of pros, but even then you would be raised off most hands unless you want to call allin with aq or aj.
in online poker its a completely different game.
ive been in tournys where a guy has gone allin every single hand until the final table and won every single hand when hes been called.
no matter if he has 23 offsuit vs aa or k3 vs kk.
thats just how it is online.
live poker does involve a lot of skill, but online poker is 95% luck and thats the truth no matter how many ppl want to think they have mad skills when they win an online tourny.
they conveniently forget how many times they kj busted ak when they called allin preflop.
or when they called off all they chips with 94 clubs and busted a set of jacks by runner runner flush.
i think this is great advice.
i have adopted the style, online, of seeing EVERY flop i can afford.
i have won more (LOW LIMIT/FREEROLL) tournaments than ever.
and i can attest that the only time i fold preflop is against the approximate odds that mora just provided you.
as she stated, the advice is how to play the "new school".
tuan le is a good example.
i must also suggest that you determine your own, more conservative, discretion of what is going to be your "loose and tight" hands, i won't back her "translation" on the examples given.
you may find more conservative choices by reading some "old school" guys like helmuth and doyle or clicking the "tips from the pros" tab. (top left)
but still very sound advice to shut down the new kids on the block.
for me...
tight: AK,AQ,A's-7's
NOT: AJ,KQ (and really i hate AK and AQ, they will get you on tilt in a hurry therefore i fold SB BB and UTG with them)
i noticed, but mora is a girls name in american ;D
lol mora is just the first 4 letters from my first name and familyname, lol
RAndy MOlenmaker and then reverse, lol
mora, let me share one of the most painful hands ive ever played with you,
sitting in bodog $2000. buyin table $20.-$40. blinds im in second position with AA
ive got about 3700$
i raise to $200.
a guy in late position reraises allin for $1900 and change.
like an idiot i call.
he shows q8 offsuit
flop is j910
im basically drawing dead and an ace comes on the river to rub it in.
so dont tell me its only in the lower tables.
and dont make assumptions
if you reallty know what i mean i said it happens MORE in the lower stakes and in the feerolls...nothing more nothing less
ansd what for assuimptions do i make according to you?????????????????
and you are a big loser and an idiot.
of course i only assume this from you past comment, nothing more:
sitting in bodog $2000. buyin table $20.-$40. blinds im in second position with AA
ive got about 3700$
i raise to $200.
a guy in late position reraises allin for $1900 and change.
like an idiot i call.
he shows q8 offsuit
flop is j910