The more and more I play online, the more and more I see things that just boggle my mind. The more I wonder how much false security playin online gives one in their abilities playing poker.
The ATC concept is very prevelant online we all know that, we've all seen something like this:
Your dealt 
in late position and you have 4 limpers in front of you so with the blinds 50/100 you pop it up to 550 or so and get 2 callers.
Flop: 
first guy bets out with 100, second guy calls and you reraise to like 1400, and then the first guy reraises you all in, second folds and you call
You feeling good show your:
And your opponent shows: 
And quickly your smile disappears as the river ievitably brings about 
and your out.
You try your hardest to understand how he could call your pre-flop raise with that, but you can't. Well it's because while flushes aren't supposed so often it seems that those who make bad calls with suited cards are rewarded more times than not.
Or how about this one, I'm sure a lot of you have seen this:
It's late in a tourny and your sitting at about 32k in chips, the chip leader at your table has about 70k blinds sitting at 300/600 25 ante.
Your UTG with 
and your raise to 2k it's folded to the chip leader and he reraises to 6k, you reraise back to 14k and he pushes, so you of course call.
you proudly show your hand, and laugh as you opponent shows: 
and then the flop:
you say to yourself omfg but then the turn: 
and your head drops, you played this perfectly how could this happen, and the perverbial dagger to the heart as the River brings:
I mean how could he think his hand was good after you raised UTG and then reraised him? How could this guy get so many chips playing like that?
Then you ask would this happen live? Well would it? Or would these people be sent to the rail more often than not and learn to play differently? Is there game so skewed by the way things seem to play out online that they really would be at a loss live?
Obviously there are some exceptions to crossing over right? But with 100's of thousands if not more online players each day, are people getting a false sense of security in their game?
Now some of you may be shaking your head no or agreeing with me, honestly these are just my thoughts and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I can say that a lot of you that complain about the above, are the same ones I see doing these things day in and day out at the tables.
Random thoughs from me.
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most only complain when it happens to them but not when they suck out against you when you ask, they say things like i thought my hand was good even thou as you showed you reraised him pre-flop not much you can do but not break the comp
Ok , this is one of my favorite late night conspiracy theories ,
I have a sneaking suspicion that online sites are intentionally
teaching people to play BAD poker lmaoo, now why ??? ,
well I don''t know lol , but they do reward horrible odds
sometimes lol , most people online don't think about what
you have or is their hand good you , they bet their cards only,
you know those people go to Vegas and play just like that and
lose all their money in an hour but I guess they had fun so they
don't care lol , gl
Same stuff happens live as it does online only its worse because you are looking across the table at them!
Ok please read before you comment please.
I'm very aware this sort of thing can happen live, I play enough to know this. However that does not answer my question.
This is not a conspiracy theory, this is not saying that online teaches anyone anything.
It's a question. Does online play give people a false sense of security in their game?
You mean something like this WD
Full Tilt Poker Game #6408653615: The Ferguson (48075549), Table 43 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:34:42 ET - 2008/05/14
and lost with three of a kind, Aces
and won (1,905) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 1: bigpoppaboats (1,485)
Seat 2: dave46_99 (1,455), is sitting out
Seat 3: cwillia14 (2,055)
Seat 4: Heracleez (2,505)
Seat 5: sjeanthomas (1,500), is sitting out
Seat 6: New Strategist (630)
Seat 7: NOVAGOLD (1,500)
Seat 8: smorris (1,470)
Seat 9: CLeaning UP (900)
Heracleez posts the small blind of 15
sjeanthomas posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bigpoppaboats
New Strategist folds
NOVAGOLD folds
smorris raises to 60
CLeaning UP calls 60
bigpoppaboats has 15 seconds left to act
bigpoppaboats raises to 285
dave46_99 folds
cwillia14 folds
Heracleez folds
sjeanthomas folds
smorris folds
bigpoppaboats is feeling happy
CLeaning UP raises to 900, and is all in
bigpoppaboats calls 615
CLeaning UP shows
bigpoppaboats shows
dave46_99 has returned
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
CLeaning UP shows a straight, Ace high
bigpoppaboats shows three of a kind, Aces
CLeaning UP wins the pot (1,905) with a straight, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,905 | Rake 0
Board:
Seat 1: bigpoppaboats showed
Seat 2: dave46_99 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: cwillia14 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Heracleez (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: sjeanthomas (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: New Strategist didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: NOVAGOLD didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: smorris folded before the Flop
Seat 9: CLeaning UP showed
and then he said he felt it LOL
I had one saved worse than that but ca'nt find it now.
Yep.. their are some way f'n whack calls online that I cannot in my wildest imagination see happening live BUT.. I have seen more hands in the year I have been playing exclusively online than in the previous 5 years playing live.
Peace, J
I have learned from the internet to be afraid of the board and to many people know that I can be pushed away from a draw with a big bluff. Right now I'm working on getting away from that fear and have been playing crazy looking cards that are connectors from the small blind or button when I can limp in. It has worked for the most part and makes people mad when I hit a draw or better with them and don't back down.
I read it , my comments were of a joking nature ,
I don't seriously think they are teaching anyone anything lol,
it clearly gives a false sense of security by rewarding
such play lol
ok lets bring this subject to an end, the reason more bad beats happen online than in live is b/c it is true. but only b/c online how many hands do u play an hour online, its usually about 45-55 this does not happen live b/c u have a real dealer and people actually have to count chips cards are actually being shuffled it takes alot more time to play a hand. so over about an eight to ten hour session u are seeing about 300-400 more hands online than u would live. also the reason more bad beats occur is cause they have the comfort of hiding behind there screen when they make a bad play. so they dont feel stupid they only laugh. i understand it happens alot believe me i have had my share of bad beats but they are a pretty even in both types of play. The other day i was at my local casino i was dealt AA in mid position two raisers are in front of me i have to call $150 i have about $360 so i push and the guy looks at me and says well i guess i kinda have too and he flops over pocket 3's i am excited until the flop comes and he spikes a 3. it happens u just have too leave for a while sit out or do what u do and collect ur self dont try to make a remarable comeback as soon as it happens cause then ur find urself doing what they are,being a donk. hope this helps w/ ur problem. gl on the felts
I'm not talking about bad beats, I'm not talking about that at all.
I'm talking about people making calls into a big raise or reraise with A/rag or any two suited cards or any pocket pair, becuase it SEEMS that more often then not they hit their hand, and because of that they get a sense that they are better than they really are.
This is a very good post for discussion,. watchdog !
I can answer the question as to why people make those calls....they for the most part don't know any better ! Remember when we all first started, how lady luck smiled on us, and let us all win enough to get us hooked on the game ?
I think a lot of these people making these calls have had this happen, and are so rank of amatures that they just don't know how to play anywhere close to smart. With so many people playing online at any one time, we have to realize, that the skill level is from one extreme to the other, and all points in between !
If there is a false sense of security, then it is in those that are in the lower skill levels, and those who do play a good game, are the victims of this phenomon. This is the reason I don't play even mid stake ring games online, there are to many of those less skilled players playing, to suit me, and collectively they make up a large number of the players, so the odds are really stacked against the better players, in a way, because of those sheer numbers, and the false sense of security they have !... at least that is my opinion !
....play on ...Tc...
I think that playing online gives you a false sense of security period.
You aren't in the same room with your opponents. You're comfortably sitting at home or at work playing a video game. The trick seems to be learning the ways that you keep getting beat and to avoid doing that. For me AA works good, but big slick always lets me down. For others it's different. That's not saying it's the cards .... it's your style. I play AA differently than someone who constantly loses with them would, but if they try to play them in my style, they'll still likely get busted the same way I would if I played AK like some of you do. It's too transparent.
Anyway, yes, I do believe there is a false sence of security, but not within the game. It's within the setting and ourselves.
C.Jack
There is a thing called ... the squezze play (When there is a raise (preferably from LP as it could be a position raise), and a call infront of you - you push all in (usually from the blinds). This forces the initial raiser to call knowing he may get called behind him - he'll usually fold unless he's big. The caller is now forced to call a large bet when all he wanted to do was call the inital raise and see a flop. It's effective when you have a big enough stack to push out your opponents, as you still have Fold Equity).
maybe that is what they are trying to do and then get lucky with FTP S Shuffling of cards while play is still going on.
I dont play on PS so cant really say much about there site.