I had just been moved to this table and pushed with this hand
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aussiestorm69 
The-Kid Sean folds
dice_vato420 folds
aussiestorm69 has 15 seconds left to act
aussiestorm69 calls 800
Grand Wazzu folds
venesa folds
DK AND PHP calls 800
sniper_kal calls 400
MGL22 checks
*** FLOP *** 
sniper_kal checks
MGL22 checks
aussiestorm69 bets 4,000
DK AND PHP raises to 6,720, and is all in
sniper_kal folds
MGL22 folds
aussiestorm69 calls 2,720
DK AND PHP shows 
aussiestorm69 shows
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
DK AND PHP shows a pair of Kings
aussiestorm69 shows a pair of Queens
DK AND PHP wins the pot (17,440) with a pair of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17,440 | Rake 0
Board:
Seat 1: The-Kid Sean folded before the Flop
Seat 3: dice_vato420 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: aussiestorm69 showed and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: Grand Wazzu folded before the Flop
Seat 6: venesa folded before the Flop
Seat 7: DK AND PHP (button) showed and won (17,440) with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: sniper_kal (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: MGL22 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Then this hand got me out
Full Tilt Poker Game #8216734294: $100 Freeroll (62399868), Table 9 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:00:19 ET - 2008/09/25
Seat 1: The-Kid Sean (6,445)
Seat 2: trinhlee (37,990)
Seat 3: dice_vato420 (44,335)
Seat 4: aussiestorm69 (2,995)
Seat 5: Grand Wazzu (10,690)
Seat 6: venesa (14,974)
Seat 7: DK AND PHP (17,340)
Seat 8: sniper_kal (10,160)
Seat 9: MGL22 (4,180)
The-Kid Sean antes 100
trinhlee antes 100
dice_vato420 antes 100
aussiestorm69 antes 100
Grand Wazzu antes 100
venesa antes 100
DK AND PHP antes 100
sniper_kal antes 100
MGL22 antes 100
The-Kid Sean posts the small blind of 400
trinhlee posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aussiestorm69 
dice_vato420 folds
aussiestorm69 calls 800
Grand Wazzu has 15 seconds left to act
Grand Wazzu folds
venesa calls 800
DK AND PHP folds
sniper_kal folds
MGL22 calls 800
The-Kid Sean calls 400
trinhlee checks
*** FLOP *** 
The-Kid Sean checks
trinhlee bets 800
aussiestorm69 raises to 2,095, and is all in
venesa calls 2,095
MGL22 raises to 3,280, and is all in
The-Kid Sean folds
trinhlee folds
venesa calls 1,185
MGL22 shows 
aussiestorm69 shows
venesa shows 
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
MGL22 shows a pair of Eights
venesa shows three of a kind, Nines
venesa wins the side pot (2,370) with three of a kind, Nines
aussiestorm69 shows a pair of Kings
venesa wins the main pot (11,985) with three of a kind, Nines
aussiestorm69 stands up
MGL22 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14,355 Main pot 11,985. Side pot 2,370. | Rake 0
Board:
Seat 1: The-Kid Sean (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: trinhlee (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: dice_vato420 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: aussiestorm69 showed and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: Grand Wazzu folded before the Flop
Seat 6: venesa showed and won (14,355) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 7: DK AND PHP folded before the Flop
Seat 8: sniper_kal folded before the Flop
Seat 9: MGL22 (button) showed and lost with a pair of Eights
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10 comments
Friend calls it a SInnStreak,, wherein, they win, u lose...
They didnt raise pre-flop with K/K,, sometimes they do that,, never can tell, U just got moved, so, had no read.. IMHO, this game is rigged...
Online, so tuff to read, and second hand,, - had same happen on PS, with KK, called by A/10 all in, they got A on flop, I got K (set) on Turn, and they got A (set) on River... It's all strange, no matter what everyone says...
Heres my opinion... first hand:
If Im reading that right, he limped in with his KK, so you had no hint his hand was so strong. Just being moved to the table you couldnt have observed any hints about his playing style either. He didnt show any strength until he raised the flop bet, having top pair is hard to throw away under these circumstances.
Second hand: I would have raised pre-flop with the KK. He may or may not have called with Q8, but I dont think I would have given him the chance to catch without making him risk some chips to see the flop.
Of course I didnt have a very good day on the felts today, so I wouldnt put a who;e lot of stock in my opinion. Good luck to you on and off the felts
with the
if any thing with the action on fulltilt i tend to treat KK like ducks
good gaming and good luck
Not sure why you bet out so much in the first hand on the flop (my estimation.. around 2x pot?.. with top pr. weak kicker). For someone to come over the top of you after making a bet like that, you are surely beaten. I would think you could've gained enough info. to find out where you were at with your hand via a much smaller bet, say 5/8 to 3/4 pot (or maybe even 1/2 pot depending upon table).
Your bet was HUGE,.. now you had to call his reraise allin. I still can't figure out why you bet out so large?
On the 2nd hand,.. you needed to FOR SURE SHOVE ALLIN!! No matter what hand it was that you were going to play, you only had just over '1M' so it's a for sure shove (if trying to trap.. but really how could you trap with so few chips left) a call on such a small stack would be an obvious trap anyways. ALL IN.. ALL-IN.
1st hand,.. .way to aggressive on the flop bet,.. only hand that is going to call you is a hand that beats you.
2nd hand.... ALL-IN no matter what!!!
Hand 1:
You limped out of position (OOP) with a marginal hand. Then overplayed top pair on the flop. Being OOP, you didn't have a chance to see what the other players were doing first. And to top it off, you overbet the pot. Perhaps not to everyone, but overbetting the pot looks like a steal move from a novice player: Like you're trying to take it down with AK even though you missed. It shouldn't be surprising that you got re-raised. A bigger stack might have done that with just the club draw to see if you're for real. But when your opponent went all-in, that should have been a big red flag that you were beat. Yeah, you were probably pot-committed, but a laydown there would have been acceptable.
Hand 2:
You limped OOP with pocket Ks. Not a good idea to try and trap when you're the short-stack. Position doesn't matter with that hand, but you really needed to put it all-in pre-flop. If you're out-chipped you're probably going to be called by at least one lesser hand. But you've got to make your stand there and hope that most of the others go away. Limit the field. You may get outdrawn, but with fewer opponents the likelihood of that goes down.
You were overaggressive in the first hand and too passive in the second. Being overaggressive is fine in the early stages of a tournament when the blinds are low and you're trying to establish a "loose" table image. But when it gets to the later stages, you've got to play smart. Your opponents are looking for you to make a mistake. Unfortunately, you gave them what they wanted.
That wasn't necessarily the wrong move. He had few opponents and was banking that BB had nothing. So the only player he was worried about was you. And you limped, so not much worry there. He had position on you. If you had a big A or even a weak one, you'd have probably raised. So he felt safe that KK would hold up even if an A hit on the flop. There was no real draw to speak of on the flop, so it was "go time" as far as he was concerned.
Your best move on the flop was to check and see what he did. If he checked, then you can bet the A on the turn and make him think twice, if he raises you get out. If he bets on the flop, you need to re-examine your hand. Does he have AQ, KQ, QJ? Any of those hands have you beat without even having the overpair.
I hope this helps.