I wanted to share this hand with all you people and hear some of your arguments what you would have done here. I figured it was the right play to call here, but unfortunatly my opponent had a better hand. Here is the history looking forward to your comments.
The one thing that I was second guessing myself about is that maby I shouldn't have called because the play was fairly tight. We were in i think our 15th hand and a few times it had occured that everyone just folded around to the BB. Maby I should have laid it down because pushed that quickly and I could have known I was up against a pair or something?
Here is the hand:.
PokerStars Game #20244328569: Tournament #106977529, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/09/08 11:30:11 ET
Table '106977529 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: 4phil4 (2100 in chips)
Seat 2: bufflehead17 (1450 in chips)
Seat 3: Allanon76 (1570 in chips)
Seat 4: gruetzi85 (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: SurvivalSan (1510 in chips)
Seat 6: VitalijKisel (1000 in chips)
Seat 7: Jarmosh (1730 in chips)
Seat 8: Terra_Firma (1200 in chips)
Seat 9: White_Rhino8 (1500 in chips)
Jarmosh: posts small blind 15
Terra_Firma: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SurvivalSan
White_Rhino8: raises 60 to 90
4phil4: calls 90
bufflehead17: folds
Allanon76: calls 90
gruetzi85: folds
SurvivalSan: raises 230 to 320
VitalijKisel: folds
Jarmosh: folds
Terra_Firma: folds
White_Rhino8: raises 1180 to 1500 and is all-in
4phil4: folds
Allanon76: folds
SurvivalSan: calls 1180
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
White_Rhino8: shows (a pair of Kings)
SurvivalSan: shows (high card Ace)
White_Rhino8 collected 3225 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3225 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: 4phil4 folded before Flop
Seat 2: bufflehead17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Allanon76 folded before Flop
Seat 4: gruetzi85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SurvivalSan showed and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: VitalijKisel (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Jarmosh (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Terra_Firma (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: White_Rhino8 showed and won (3225) with a pair of Kings
Here is a personnal view of that hand and just note that I'm really affraid to play with AK. I think you should not have raised to ten big blinds and as it has been raised before I would just have called 90chips. Remember that AK even suited is a potential good hand but for that you need a favorable draw...With that kind of flop he would've probably bet and you surely folded and lost only 90 chips...
I don't mind a reraise....it's pretty aggressive, and says you've got a good hand, but when he pushes back, the only thing you ought to be calling with is AA, because you have to know you're beat. And early in a SNG like that, you don't need to risk all your chips when you're being told quite boldly that you're behind.
i too am very skeptical with any AK even suited because it is beat by lesser hands all the time, i would have just smooth called the raise to 90 chips and seen what the flop is, if you hit on the flop that would have been reason to place a bet but without hitting you should have seen what he did on the flop, just like raylowx said the most you should have lost was 90 chips, just a little opinion on how i would have played the hand...Razors
The key thing with this hand is the position of the preflop raiser.
I'm not willing to stack off my chips with AK this early normally. The original raiser was UTG and opened for the standard. Re-raising is not bad here but I make it about 270-300. Playing this hand OP and this early though I am more likely to call. After his push you should have dumped it and waited for a better spot. You'll see players make this play with a lot less at these buy-in levels but you should be able to spot those players by the 25-50. Like I said though, position is key here in this decision for me.
I like the re-raise preflop. Lets you get a good idea of where you're at with the hand, hopefully elminates all but one caller or none,.. and you take it down right there. I also think you're raise was the 'right amount',... much less and you're opening it up to get callers if first guy calls, other guy is priced in. The raise could also bump out initial raiser (although he was raising from utg.. which as I'm sure you know, is a sign of significant strength) from creating a squeeze play (if he calls... is 2nd guy going to put in a raise,.. then what... he'll only call or raise if he's real strong). If first guy folds to raise, gd chance that 2nd guy will as well as there's a good chance his hand isn't as strong as utg's, otherwise it'd have been likely that he would've 3-betted preflop but instead chose to just call.
When villain re-raises 'allin',... it's sayin' he's got strong. Chances are he's not pushing w AK here, which would mean most likely chop at best. Other hands we put villain on,.. AA KK QQ,.... and most likely no less due to table bein' tight, it's early and his raise came from utg. In this case I think I'd just have to fold to his push (even though the pot is now giving me odds to call on what ranges a push may have been coming from under different circumstances but because it's early, he's utg and table has been tight, I'd say he's on a big pr.).
If we put his range limited to just AA KK QQ AK,... we are a 3.4:1 dog, costs us 1,180 for pot to give us 1.65:1 .(this is if likelihood of hands is equally split, but probably more accurately would say the likelihood of AK is less than 1 in 4). We have to lay it down here.
i read somewhere, and it was meant as a warning, they don't call it big slick for nothing. to me your hand is only as it is - until the flop! then you can go from there. AK is a good betting hand - makes you feel pretty confident to bet. but garanteed if you were playing a donk he would of had you beat with a pr of dueces. or even better a straight or 2 pr, cause a donk could call with anything seen it, too many times. well gl on the next ome.
Thnx for the comments,, also agree with other i should have folded,, but I made an impulsive decision which is never good in poker.. Lesson learned lets move on to the next game.
(a pair of Kings)
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Do other think like me?
I like the re-raise preflop. Lets you get a good idea of where you're at with the hand, hopefully elminates all but one caller or none,.. and you take it down right there. I also think you're raise was the 'right amount',... much less and you're opening it up to get callers if first guy calls, other guy is priced in. The raise could also bump out initial raiser (although he was raising from utg.. which as I'm sure you know, is a sign of significant strength) from creating a squeeze play (if he calls... is 2nd guy going to put in a raise,.. then what... he'll only call or raise if he's real strong). If first guy folds to raise, gd chance that 2nd guy will as well as there's a good chance his hand isn't as strong as utg's, otherwise it'd have been likely that he would've 3-betted preflop but instead chose to just call.
When villain re-raises 'allin',... it's sayin' he's got strong. Chances are he's not pushing w AK here, which would mean most likely chop at best. Other hands we put villain on,.. AA KK QQ,.... and most likely no less due to table bein' tight, it's early and his raise came from utg. In this case I think I'd just have to fold to his push (even though the pot is now giving me odds to call on what ranges a push may have been coming from under different circumstances but because it's early, he's utg and table has been tight, I'd say he's on a big pr.).
If we put his range limited to just AA KK QQ AK,... we are a 3.4:1 dog, costs us 1,180 for pot to give us 1.65:1 .(this is if likelihood of hands is equally split, but probably more accurately would say the likelihood of AK is less than 1 in 4). We have to lay it down here.
looks like most are in agreement that
1. your raise (7x bb) was too much, after a raise was allready made. calling here would be ok. see flop and take it from there.
2. when he went all in pre-flop after 2 healthy raises....screams pocket power (AAorKK)
should have folded then bro
gl and Go CUBS Go