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How Could You Make This Call

Sep 1, 2008 7:01 am Report Abuse

Playing in a Super Turbo on FT (3.80 buyin)

Blinds are 25/50

I pick up KQ diamonds on the button w/ 240 chips. MP minraises, another MP calls. I decide to just call. BB limps in as well.

FLOP: 89K, two clubs.

425 in the pot, everyone checks to me. I bet out my last 140. BB all but instacalls, with 2 to act. I think great, he probably has 109. The 2 MPs fold, and BB flips over 85 of spades.

Turn is a J of clubs. River is a 5 of diamonds.

It was very predictable in my opinion, but you have to wonder what's running through this guy's mind. I doubt he considers himself ahead, so he has 7 outs twice. Maybe somehow he thinks he's getting the right pot odds, but he still has about 180 behind, and there are 2 more people after him. Can someone please enlighten me as to how this call is possible?



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Henreiman Sep 1, 2008 7:12 am
By the way, clearly early on in tourney. I had pushed once w/ KK and showed, so I believe I had a tight image. 7 left at this point. Sorry no hand history
Number9Dodge Sep 1, 2008 7:23 am
He was a 4-1 dog after the flop but he was also getting 4-1 on his money if my math is correct. Some people like to call when they're getting laid that much even if they know they're a 4-1 dog. Not saying it's right or wrong, just that some people are like that.

I'm just not sure why you played that hand at all. You're down to 240 with 25/50 blinds. That's a push or fold situation. If there has already been one raise and a call then you're probably better off folding in that situation as good as K Q suited may look. What you should have done is find a spot where you could get your money in pre-flop, in a heads up spot.
Henreiman Sep 1, 2008 7:28 am
It's hard to do that in a Super Turbo. And even a double up might not be enough to get you to the cash. I think I made the right play, maybe I should've bet/folded before the flop. But honestly, how does he make that call?
DarkOdin Sep 1, 2008 7:30 am
lot of aggressive ppl play those super turbos, and you know how they like to call with any pair.
lvcwb702 Sep 1, 2008 8:49 am

cuz he did would we be discussing this if the 5 didnt hit the river! Dodge is right though you are in a push or fold situation i think!

thebigeasy59 Sep 1, 2008 9:01 am
Post the hand history if you have it. Shove this preflop all day long, you can't expect someone to fold once they hit a flop after having 1/6 of his chips in there.
freakyfish00 Sep 1, 2008 9:41 am
Super Turbo
So start with 300 chipd and blinds go up every 3 mins

You dont have time to wait and I find so many people push with A high after the flop hoping people wont call em
Its a luck fest tourny where U got to get lucky
Or its Bingo wrapped in Poker Skin

superdog777 Sep 1, 2008 9:58 am

the way i play the super turbos is either i shove or im out no calling it is a crap shoot... most people playing the super turbos are action junkies and dont pay attention to anything he prob had no idea how many outs he had or anything just playing his 8

telebob Sep 1, 2008 10:53 am
Oh, this hand makes my head hurt! What a freakin' train wreck! AND, you willingly tied yourself to the tracks! My analysis could be off, since I don't know the stack sizes, but here goes anyway:

Exhibit A: MP open min-raises. Horrible, barf-worthy play. I hope no explanation is needed.

Exhibit B: MP2 flat-calls. Wat?

Exhibit C: Button flat calls off 40% of his stack with an easily dominated, non-premium hand. YGBSM!

The rest of the hand plays itself:

Exhibit D: BB flats. Pays 1 BB for a chance to win 7.5BB. Understandable.

Exhibit E: Flop comes, Button bets TPTK. Naturally. Standard.

Exhibit F: BB makes marginally correct call based on pot odds.

Exhibit G: BB catches his card and felts Button.

Exhibit H: Button gets upset and posts blog focusing on opponents play and ignoring his own mistake. Also standard, imo.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm a bit drunk, so it's coming out a bit harsh. Your good luck on the flop only serves to disguise your poor decison preflop, and only because of your bad luck on ther river are you getting the opportunity to plug a serious leak in your game. This was a clear fold preflop. Focusing on anything else avoids the issue and keeps you from improving your game.

Sorry about the loss, and I do hope that somewhere in this mess I've given you some help.
tilt-a-kitty Sep 1, 2008 11:54 am

Those super turbos are super terrible. Many of them are mult-tabling to the tune of 10+tables. Personally I don't like your preflop play here. I would 'almost' never limp in, in one of these. I believe a shove from the button is the right play (imo). To expect anything less than terrible play in these is to be expecting a miracle.

Also seems to be plenty of bots in these super tubos as well. I've played a handful... enough to know I'd prefer flipping coins with the paperboy for free delivery for a week! I've shoved in from cutoff w one limper w AA,.. first hand I played and bb calls off all his chips w J-4o??... and hits 2pr.!! They're a joke. Sorry.. can't sympathize for an insane call here...happens all the time and is to be expected.

Champ1 Sep 1, 2008 1:19 pm
He actually had the pot odds to call you, 525 in the pot and it costs him 140, not quite pot odds but very close and he could also think that you are bluffing at it since everyone checked to you. I woulda made the same call, it wasnt a bad call, take that idea out of your head and try to understand the logic behind it or you will find poker to be a very difficult game. Oh and on top of that its a super turbo! Comon man, super turbos are bingo games, you can never question a super turbo play, ever!!!!! Because it just simply isnt poker, its gambling.
raylowx Sep 1, 2008 1:40 pm
Aaaaaaaaaaaaall right Champ1!!!
Big_Bent Sep 2, 2008 11:28 am

If my math is correct, he needed at least 8.4 bets in the pot and there were only 4 bets in the pot. Or if he was a 4 to 1 dog, he shouldn't have called any bet more than 25% of the pot, and your bet was about 33% of the pot.

It really depends on his stack. If he was chip leader with a huge stack, it's not that horrible of a call by him trying to knock you out since he also hit the flop. If not, then you can say it was a bad call since he didn't have pot odds to call.

west_stand Sep 2, 2008 12:50 pm

You want him to call with 8 5. It's like saying you flopped a set and someone called you with nothing then turned a gutshot straight draw and hit the straight on the river,

What did he have behind him? If he was sitting on a decent stack he might think that seeing as he is getting 3.5-1 on his money to get lucky or hope you're on a draw. from his view it looks like you're pot committed with only 140 behind.


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