cheating software

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BAT

WHO and cheating at what freerolls? thats some funny shitzzzzzit. What are they useing to cheat donkey luck?

no way.. haha thats crazy cheating software.. im sure there is plenty of security measures...

If you had software to flat out cheat at poker why would someone waste their time in freerolls, the sunday 1.5 million would be much more worth it.

If a person actually had access to a program that they could cheat with and were sorry enough individuals to use it, I'd imagine it would be on high stakes were the payoff after a couple of withdrawals would outweigh the consequence should they get caught. Cheating a freeroll or a low buyin game would be the ultimate in stupidity.

When you find out more info. about it,.. can ya let me know. I would like to start using it in all of the freerolls and on multiple accounts!!!

tks!

i agree, why would he use it on freerolls, if it were me, i would use it on high stakes games.

If your talking about the idiots who call off all there chips with nothing but a miracle 1 outer draw they catch on the river, or the usual 8 3 offsuit all in preflop donk that gets a 8 3 3 flop, get used to it. This may look like their cheating, but they just don't have a clue, and the poker sites are set up to help these poor helpless people. Well, there not really, it just appears that way sometimes. With Holdem being so popular nowadays, everybody and their grandmothers are playing, and most are experts. lol
Anyway, just have fun, and get your chips in there with the best hand when you can.
I'm sorry, there not cheating, it just seems that way sometimes.
GL !!

There actually is a lot of cheating software out there, most of it already detected, but here's some info

All the details can be found at: http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/

Q. In general, what kinds of programs are prohibited?

A. The following types of programs are prohibited:
Any program that shares hole card data with other players or programs is colluding, and is prohibited.

Any program that works off of a central database of player profiles or hands played is prohibited.

Any program that plays without human intervention (a "bot" or reduces the requirement of a human playing. For instance, an "auto-folder" is prohibited.

The practice of datamining (observing games as a non-player for extended periods in order to build up a large database of hand histories for future reference) is prohibited.

Any software that offers direct game play advice on the appropriate action to take, and which is also programmable or configurable beyond a very basic level.

The following are examples of programs which are prohibited at all times:
Advanced Poker Calculator
Gambot
hhSmithey
Holdem Hawk
Holdem Pirate
Holdem Inspector a.k.a. Online Holdem Inspector
iHH Harvester
Magic Holdem
Mandraker
Open Holdem Bot
OPI Wizard
PokerAnalytics
Poker Android
Poker Bot+
Poker Bloodhound
Poker Crusher
Poker Edge
Poker Inspector a.k.a. Online Poker Inspector
Poker Mate
Poker Prophecy
Poker Sherlock
Poker Table Manager
Real Poker Rankings
SharkScope [Pending]
Sit n' Go Brain
Sixth Sense
SmartCollector a.k.a. Mixed Harvesters
SpadeEye
Stars Hand History (SHH)
StarSpy
Texas Auto Fold
TheCashDB
WinHoldem

WOW NEVADANICK DIDNT KNOW THERE WERE SO MANY CHEATING PROGRAMS OUT THERE.......THANKS FOR THE INFO

OMG get out the handy shoe phone I need to call Maxwell Smart. Hello Max, gotta a job for you. Line up Agent 86,99 and the Chief, we have some dude who wasted hundreds of hours developing poker software to cheat in FREE ROLLS. If you decide to accept this mission the agency will disavow any knowledge of you and your team

Interesting Nick, I guess there will always be people who try to cheat the systems.

I believe those programs are not ones that show hole cards, most of them show player stats...how many times the player is in a hand, aggressiveness before the flop, continuation betting, turn..river etc..player tendencies. I don't want to open the can...but I think those programs aren't gonna make me or break me...to me they are a version of notes!!!
BAT

I think your right Bat. I just had no idea there were so many lol

You're right, Bat. But it's not about just seeing hole cards (and few, if any of those listed above, can do that).

Online play gives an advantage of it's own just by allowing a 'notes' entry, but it's an across the board advantage that every player at the table has available to them. Using 'advantage' programs of any kind is like allowing your opponent at a live table to have a coach sitting next to him for advice when 'they' are playing against 'your' money.

In true, honest, live table poker a player brings only his cash and skill to a table and hopes Lady Luck is visiting their seat. If using an electronic program weren't giving an unfair advantage you would see all the live pros bring their laptop to the table with them. Anyone here want to plop their cash on THAT table - lol ... ??

I never really did answer Helium's original question either. No, I don't think any Birds are using true 'cheating' programs. Sites like Stars already have security in place to detect usage of online programs (as listed above). What you really see in donkville, IMO, is the wider range of hands being played - and they will hit.

I feel like i just got out of class after reading this blog and all of its comments.

Good information and opinions here. Thanks/ good luck all.

I hope your wrong about the cheating.I worry about possible cheating
because of the unreal hands that come on the river.

Blondenikita

Online play gives an advantage of it's own just by allowing a 'notes' entry, but it's an across the board advantage that every player at the table has available to them. Using 'advantage' programs of any kind is like allowing your opponent at a live table to have a coach sitting next to him for advice when 'they' are playing against 'your' money.

Umm.. I'd have to say I disagree. For one,.. all of the tracking software on the market is available to ALL who wish to purchase it (there's even many that have free versions). If you were to post a blog on an advanced player forum, saying you figure that tracking programs are 'cheating',.. you'd be laughed off the site. Fact is,.. in bigger buy-ins, the 'majority' of players are using at the very least 'tracking software',.. and yes,.. they're running it in the morning while drinking their coffee prior to sitting down at the table (don't kid yourself to think otherwise).

There are many different programs out there,.. and yes Pokerstars does ban alot of them. Some actually do have somewhat of a 'coach' sitting over your shoulder but these aren't used a whole lot by higher stakes players (from my understanding,.. which is based on communicating with many of them).

I say,.. go for it,...why not. Use 'em... use all of 'em if you feel like it. I have no problem with a player being able to get a read on my particular style of play. I play the 'winning style' (TAG) and have nothing to hide. I can see it being a disadvantage for those who migh be huge loose calling stations,.. having their opponents get a good read on this prior to playing a single hand. Too bad I say,.. learn how to play and you have nothing to fear. (now that should get some feedback, lol).

I don't expect a whole lot of agreement here on this but then again I haven't found to many advanced players commenting too often on the blogs on Railbirds (hey.. which is a-ok.. it's a site for people to get to learn how to play in my opinion). In the 'real world' of online poker,.. the grinders out there would laugh at a player who figured that the use of poker tracking software wasn't worthwhile (etc.). It was put to me one time like this.. "Playing in the big leagues of online poker without software (ie. PokerTracker, Poker Office, with Pokerstove, PokerAce HUD, etc.), would be like playing in the major leagues without a baseball glove and 'hoping' to do well."

PS... most of these software producers are able to prevent detection from PokerStars anways. Also,.. very interesting to note that ALL of the software producers are affiliates of the actual poker sites??? Isn't that odd??? (except now recently with Pokerstars,... but then again Stars has also recently outlawed the use of Sharkscope (not 'pending'.. .'not allowed'!). Who could care less if someone could scope you out on Sharkscope of run all of your stats. thru OPR?? I personally can't stand the play on Stars anyways and can't afford to play in their Sunday Million so pretty much don't even bother with the site (aside from the odd priv. tourney).

Not wanting to rustle too many feathers,.. just adding my two cents for what it's worth (maybe a bit of 'real world stuff'...???).

it's not about just seeing hole cards (and few, if any of those listed above, can do that).

NONE of them can do that!! ... come on .. think about it, lol. There's been scams in the past where holecards were revealed but this was a well-known inside job (PotRipper on Absolute Poker.. .people still play there.....??.. even though of course it's been taken care of long ago.. but still??).

There is one software that claims to show hole cards ( I can't think of the name offhand right now... read further and you'll see why it's not worth remembering, lol).. but.. if you read thru the finer print it is actually just a ridiculous program where you're able to manually change your hole cards,... but really you are only changing them for your own visual benefit,.. it does nothing to change them in the game, lol. (called cardswap or something like that,.. like I said, I'm not sure of the name offhand,.. not worth knowing).

Personally, I wish I had done more homework prior to depositing to some of the online poker sites. If I had, I'd see that not only do some site offer great rakeback but others offer you free poker software for joining up to the poker site thru their website (Yup.. that's right,.. they are affiliated with the online poker sites!!). I also believe that for the serious online player, the tracking software is a must (especially if one is playing in higher stakes ring games,.. where you're also on the same tables with players often). Sure notes go along way (they have options to add extensive notes as well, lol),.. but so are recent showdown histories so you can quickly recall how Joe Blow plays a flop'd fl dr. in a mulitway pot after reraising from the button preflop,.. etc. etc.,.. how often he folds his bb to steal attempts,.. how often he tries to steal from the button (to the exact percentage).. etc.

Bring it on,... if I could manage it all on a 50"monitor I'd have it all running at once if I was able to I'd be there. I believe a 'winning player' is one who will look to gain any edge he can and personally I don't regard this stuff as cheating at all. (I mean.. you figure you'd want to rely on something like HoldemIndicator to tell you whether calling or raising is a +EV play,.. no thanks in that regard but as far as Tracking Software goes,.. by all means!!!)

"usual 8 3 offsuit all in preflop donk that gets a 8 3 3 flop".... wtf... this is my 'favourite hand'!!! I've even got multiple hand histories to prove the +EV I'm gettin with it!! Just ask me.. and I'll post, post and post away, lol. Pickin' on my favourite... how dare you Hemi!!! ( LOL). That's the last time I ever let you in on Fulltilt s best-kept secret!! The ol' 3-8!! (but you have to know the right combination... now was that black 8 and red 3 ... or vice versa?.. I'll never tell, lol)