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Is it just me or is there something seriously wrong with the Pokerstars community.

Aug 28, 2008 4:55 pm Report Abuse

PokerStars Game #19961988533: Tournament #104811225, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/08/28 - 09:58:35 (ET)
Table '104811225 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: trCe (1250 in chips)
Seat 3: Guillefc (1760 in chips)
Seat 4: UDBWIZE2FOLD (1700 in chips)
Seat 5: cb-meg (980 in chips)
Seat 6: AceKingKills (1485 in chips)
Seat 7: Princemann (1825 in chips)
Seat 8: Newton03 (1840 in chips)
Seat 9: 19Chris87 (2660 in chips)
Newton03: posts small blind 15
19Chris87: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AceKingKills QhQc
trCe: raises 120 to 150
Guillefc: folds
UDBWIZE2FOLD: folds
cb-meg: folds
AceKingKills: calls 150
Princemann: calls 150
Newton03: folds
19Chris87: folds
*** FLOP *** 9h2s4c
trCe: checks
AceKingKills: bets 270
Princemann: folds
trCe: raises 540 to 810
AceKingKills: raises 525 to 1335 and is all-in
trCe: calls 290 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (235) returned to AceKingKills
*** TURN *** 9h2s4c Ts
*** RIVER *** 9h2s4cTs 4s
*** SHOW DOWN ***
trCe: shows KsAs (a flush, Ace high)
AceKingKills: shows QhQc (two pair, Queens and Fours)
trCe collected 2695 from pot

PokerStars Game #19962263509: Tournament #104813635, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/08/28 - 10:17:12 (ET)
Table '104813635 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: garrinchoe (1460 in chips)
Seat 3: Stuarty51 (3450 in chips)
Seat 4: drestig79 (1850 in chips)
Seat 5: Klasto (1700 in chips)
Seat 6: kratowns (1600 in chips)
Seat 7: Waltersor (1000 in chips)
Seat 8: cajoberingel (1060 in chips)
Seat 9: AceKingKills (1380 in chips)
drestig79: posts small blind 15
Klasto: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AceKingKills KdKs
kratowns: calls 30
Waltersor: folds
cajoberingel: calls 30
AceKingKills: raises 150 to 180
garrinchoe: folds
Stuarty51: calls 180
drestig79: folds
Klasto: folds
kratowns: folds
cajoberingel: folds
*** FLOP *** 7s2h6d
AceKingKills: bets 210
Stuarty51: calls 210
*** TURN *** 7s2h6d 6s
AceKingKills: bets 180
Stuarty51: calls 180
*** RIVER *** 7s2h6d6s Qc
AceKingKills: bets 480
Stuarty51: raises 480 to 960
AceKingKills: calls 330 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (150) returned to Stuarty51
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Stuarty51: shows 6h5s (three of a kind, Sixes)
AceKingKills: shows KdKs (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
Stuarty51 collected 2865 from pot

PokerStars Game #19962427249: Tournament #104815200, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/08/28 - 10:27:44 (ET)
Table '104815200 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: jojobanjo (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: harito_20 (1200 in chips)
Seat 3: Moeses_79 (3030 in chips)
Seat 4: AceKingKills (1450 in chips)
Seat 5: MEB71 (1550 in chips)
Seat 6: creasan (1930 in chips)
Seat 7: desculpe 1 (1440 in chips)
Seat 9: Swallard (1420 in chips)
jojobanjo: posts small blind 10
harito_20: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AceKingKills KdQd
Moeses_79: folds
AceKingKills: calls 20
MEB71: calls 20
creasan: folds
desculpe 1: folds
Swallard: folds
jojobanjo: raises 20 to 40
harito_20: calls 20
AceKingKills: calls 20
MEB71: calls 20
*** FLOP *** 3dJs5d
jojobanjo: bets 75
harito_20: calls 75
AceKingKills: calls 75
MEB71: calls 75
*** TURN *** 3dJs5d Ad
jojobanjo: bets 500
harito_20: folds
AceKingKills: raises 500 to 1000
MEB71: calls 1000
jojobanjo: folds
*** RIVER *** 3dJs5dAd Ah
AceKingKills: bets 335 and is all-in
MEB71: calls 335
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AceKingKills: shows KdQd (a flush, Ace high)
MEB71: shows 3h3s (a full house, Threes full of Aces)
MEB71 collected 3630 from pot


Like I honestly don't understand what they are thinking. I really think that the real money poker players play the same way as the play money players. And the worse thing about it: they know that they are beat, but they don't even scruple to think about what they are doing. Is every single person on Pokerstars a big fat cynic?

Two months ago when I first started playing online poker, I wasn't looking to compete against "bad" players or to make money off of maniacs. All I wanted to do was to improve my poker game (especially online tournament play), and there is no better site to do so than Pokerstars. The above hand histories are only a fraction of what I had endured. I'm seriously considering taking a long break from online poker, at least for two months, or maybe forever. At exactly 2:00 PM ET today, I will uninstall this software.

When I used to play live poker with my buddies, it was an enjoyable experience even though I had many more bad beats than what I am experiencing now. At least one thing is for sure, the buddies that I play with know what they are doing, they know the decisions that they make are right. For the past too weeks--actually the past two months-- I have achieved nothing by playing online. All those dreams of building and maintaining a big bankroll are now shattered. The experience of trying to make $10, 000 rain is much different than trying to make $10 rain. Yep, that is all I got now $10. I believe that my strategy is perfectly fine and to put it into simple words, nothing has gone right for me. Nevertheless, the Railbirds community has shown me the support and generosity I need to achieve success (especially my clan the Poker Wizards) . But I'm afraid nothing will pull me through this tough downswing.

At first I found it quite humorous to see these plays, but now I dread to ever peek at them again. I'm having a tough time acknowledging what is in front of me and at the same time, I'm having a tough time stomaching it. Some people may say, if you think your little bad beats are bad? Then you shouldn't play poker, because you don't got no balls. Well it isn't all about the bad beats, its more than that, and no one can understand it better than I could.

In a few minutes I am going to spend my last few dollars on one tournament, and unless if something miraculously happens, nothing with convince me to continue playing online poker.

I definitely hope that this will not be a final farewell to the wonderful RB community, but right now, the best thing for me is to take a step back from this.

Thank you all once again, and special thanks to chimpy and Storm for allowing me to join their clan, and I am truly sorry that our affiliation didn't last too long.


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Univarn Aug 28, 2008 5:02 pm
You're gonna have to move up a few levels in money to get to a better level of play but even then you're going to see plenty of hands like that.
Miski Aug 28, 2008 5:09 pm

I agree totally.....$1.00 games don't resemble Real Money Poker just as freerolls will never either.

With literally millions of users on PS you have to play in higher games to feel more like tourney poker. Otherwise get used to that kinda game and roll with it.

I just lost pkt kings all-in pre-flop with 7,000 chips to a 3/5 offsuit caller!!!! lol

The nut only had 8000 chips

ndunn1 Aug 28, 2008 5:10 pm
I feel and understand your frustration at that site. i quit playing there a couple years ago and had just recently rejoined poker stars.I to have had so many idiots pull the same stuff that i to have had my bankroll on there go down to nothing by there play. I have had people go allin with a 3 card flush and straight possibility after the flop and get runner runner for all my chips in many tournaments over the last week or so. The best thing I can say is that you have to keep at it and over time the poker gods will reward you. I just keep at it and have to now cause my bankroll is shot and I cant deposit any money on there. Good luck on the felts and hope to see you not give up because of there idiot play. Razors for Life ndunn1
ButtonDog Aug 28, 2008 5:21 pm
Actually the real money players play worse than the higher play money buy-ins. I have stopped depositing onto Poker Stars and Full Tilt because of their collusion with the password thief sites.

On Full Tilt you will be able to finance your real money poker by playing in the 500.000 play money buy-in they have each night at 2040 hours. It pays out in real money. I have played it four times and cashed each time. It usually has 35 to 50 players and pays 18 places with the smallest payout being $2.00 in real money.

The money the real money players play with is like play money to them. It's deposited onto the the poker sites and after that it's just a matter of clicking on the enter tab without seeing any cash leave their hand and going into the hands of a cashier.
Supertramp77 Aug 28, 2008 5:22 pm
i wish you best of luck mate! i took some months ago already a break because of analoggy reasons like you and today i dont let it (much) bother me when some LAGs get rewarded...
maybe you wanna think about Univarns advice.
ButtonDog Aug 28, 2008 5:24 pm
You'll find the same junk play in the $20 buy-ins to. The 10K or 100K play money games offer better poker than even those $20.00 buy-ins. The players have had to work for those 10 and 100 K play chips. $20.00 is just a hour or two of work and is pocket change to most people playing online poker.
T3HNU7Z Aug 28, 2008 5:25 pm
I feel your pain. The saying about poker is 70% skill, 30% luck. But I think online poker (especially micro) is more the opposite... 30% skill, 70% luck. That being said, don't give up!
Pokerpro666 Aug 28, 2008 5:28 pm
I also agree with you Univarn, that the buy-in of a tournament corresponds to the skill of the players. But a dollar is still a dollar, and large sums of money are composed of these dollars. And its still money. Some may say that "keep playing like how you are playing right now and soon you'll get paid", I may not have the worse beats but sometimes its so bad that its quite funny. How many times have you predicted or had a feeling that you are going to be beat when the turn or river card comes. TONS. Now there is a big difference between maniacs FP and donkeys post-flop. A totally different feeling. Now fre-flop, when a maniac goes all-in, you say to yourself, what do I got to lose, nothing so you fold. But when you see yourself with those slick looking American Airlines or pockets kings with a rag flop on board, only to be outdrawn by some donkey, it just brings the shit out of you.

Now about play higher limits. I believe that in any limit there is, there will always be donkeys. A lot less, definitely, but surely there exist. Unless if I want to dent my bankroll, I would first have to play low limits, and once I get the money, I would move higher. Right now I'm feeling more helpless than anything.
Ric111 Aug 28, 2008 6:15 pm

The thing with Poker Stars is the river does seem to reward a lot there , but another point is one pair is not to hard to beat when it goes all the way to the river either , and they will call you all the way to the river in those limits , the last hand with the flush and the boat it just brutal , but he was allowed to limp in for free to hit his set and he wasn't going away after that ,GL

Pokerpro666 Aug 28, 2008 6:25 pm
That last play isn't all that bad since the player hit his set--I think Pokerstars made a deal with Barry Greenstein to promote his book "Ace on the River". lol

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