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    Did I Have The Odds?

    Aug 22, 2008 11:29 pm Report Abuse

    Don't worry

    not a bad beat just me trying to apply something i've learnt on railbirds: schooling

    PokerStars Game #19817255376: Tournament #103705801, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/08/22 - 17:18:43 (ET)
    Table '103705801 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: DESJetPilot (1500 in chips)
    Seat 2: Lloydinho77 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 3: fred 12/02 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 4: botox_nl (1500 in chips)
    Seat 5: CARIVANO (1500 in chips)
    Seat 6: beckbie84 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 7: bassio717 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 8: taff41 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 9: ehofman (1500 in chips)
    Lloydinho77: posts small blind 10
    fred 12/02: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Lloydinho77 8c8d
    botox_nl: calls 20
    CARIVANO: calls 20
    beckbie84: folds
    bassio717: folds
    taff41: folds
    ehofman: calls 20
    DESJetPilot: calls 20
    Lloydinho77: calls 10
    fred 12/02: checks
    *** FLOP *** 3h6dQd
    Lloydinho77: checks
    fred 12/02: bets 20
    botox_nl: calls 20
    CARIVANO: calls 20
    ehofman: folds
    DESJetPilot: calls 20
    Lloydinho77: calls 20
    *** TURN *** 3h6dQd As
    Lloydinho77: checks
    fred 12/02: bets 20
    botox_nl: calls 20
    CARIVANO: calls 20
    DESJetPilot: calls 20
    Lloydinho77: calls 20
    *** RIVER *** 3h6dQdAs Jh
    Lloydinho77: checks
    fred 12/02: bets 20
    botox_nl: raises 120 to 140
    CARIVANO: folds
    DESJetPilot: raises 120 to 260
    Lloydinho77: folds

    That is how i played this hand, not interested in what you think of my preflop play i would of played that like that anyway regardless of what happened before me.

    Post flop: was the call correct?

    Post turn: same again call correct?



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    curtinsea Aug 22, 2008 11:39 pm

    generally calling is not the correct play in a given situation. raise preflop to eliminate some limpers, then bet the flop like you hit it. fold to raise. If you get called on the flop get away from the hand. It is the first hand, nothing wrong with just pitching it. that's just my opinion

    Henreiman Aug 22, 2008 11:45 pm
    I would've played the same way as you did. A lot of people like to raise with 88, but you're in bad position with a lot of preflop limpers. If the 8 comes on the flop, you're golden. However, since they didn't bet you out, I agree with those calls. An 8 on the turn or river and you stand to make a good amount of money
    slavocash Aug 22, 2008 11:53 pm
    Well this is pretty easy with just straight pot odds, you have two outs, so 4% an 8 will hit on the turn, and 4% on the river, that's 24 to 1 odds. The pot is 180 on the flop so that's 9 to 1 odds, which is less than 24 to 1, so you dont have odds. On the turn the pot is 280, so that's 14 to 1 odds, so no you don't have odds, but implied odds complicates things, so its really just up to you, that's a really borderline decision, calling or folding, it doesn't really matter, i would probly play as you did because of the implied odds and of course you are last to act.
    slavocash Aug 22, 2008 11:54 pm
    Nvm, you are first to act, but its just a min raise, so its not that bad to call.
    A55A55IN Aug 23, 2008 6:00 am
    Did you have the odds?....No

    But using "schooling" to your benefit doesn't require pot odds.

    "schooling" is all about implied odds.

    It is a strategy for loose games - calling to get the best hand eventually

    basically it comes down to letting people hang themselves by letting you call with a good drawing hand.

    a pair typically is not a good drawing hand, but in this case with no big bets it can easily be worth it since all the other chasers (which is what you want to see when you use schooling) could not have made hands. Any big pairs would have bet. and your 8s were middle pair. the river card was a cooler for you and there you made the right play by folding.

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