Is it even possible to win with KK ?

It;s possible

I hate KK. It's vulnerable. Try controlling the size of the pot with it. Most of the time it's like gasoline on a fire. You have KK so you are shoving. Once you have it all-in your destiny lies in the decks hand, not yours. I'd rather know I'm gonna win a small pot than put it all in and roll the dice against two people for all my chips. Your opponent had a huge draw after the flop and was favored the hand and did win the hand.

I do not believe it is possible....for me anyway. GL

Not had a lot of luck with it myself lately. There is always someone playin ace rag

dont know, i lost wit KK earlier 2nite to 6 j offsuit

KK can win but on that flop it was 43% for KK to win and 56% for the , going all in on that flop is dangerous GL

i hate kkto easly beat ,

I think youll find at the flop it was about even odds

King Kong no good.

I probably wouldnt've gone all in after that flop, but yeah..

I ran it through an odds calculator it's 43.74 v 56.24 , that's 13 % in favor of the 56 , GL

I realize I was behind on the flop, technically. But at the same time, how could I put him on the straight and flush draw. I thought the bet was right to push him off of the flush draw and he might try have been trying to bluff me off, representing a set.

How big does one really have to go to get marginal starting hands to lay down? I find it hard to play any hands higher than group 4 and a healthy portion of group 4 are cards I would prefer to fold.

theres NO WAY i would lay down a str8 flush draw because you are very likely in front - however the pre flop should ahve done it. lol

I know I'm not allowed to win with kings.

I'm not sure i'd call your bet pre-flop. But the guy has so many outs after the flop that you are in trouble. I think you can tell when he/she thought it thru' that they were in for the ride. The trouble with high pairs is that they are just pairs, you have to be sensitive to the flop, and not just blaze away - you were 6-4 behind when you went all-in..

Destrogal showed it's possible to win with anything if you know your opponents and you're willing to gamble. I think you bet it right up to the post flop bet.

6xbb from utg was a good 'be warned, I have top pkts' bet. 7out of 8 at you table appear to have thought so too.

Destrogal's initial call and post-flop re-raise should have told you they were not going to lay down no matter what. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and Destrogal lucked out with loose play. This one sucked for you .

May your next pkt K/K flop quads with a table full of Destrogals .

I love the hand. I'll admit that first.And yes I know how to play KK poroperly after 30 years playing poker. So whats the issue with the hand above?

First at a ring game table that preflop call was as much on speculation and position as anything. So 1st we must regress. You mentioned you couldn't put him on a jumbo draw. well what had been his hand selection and betting parern up til then. if your new at the table you overplayed the hand post flop with the re-reraise to all in. But where I think you may have issues is UTG only popping it to $3. $3 is solid for a tight table and mid position on. But here you gotta run through everyone at the table. I'd like 4.50 to 5.00 bucks here to get a single caller at best. The problem is you gave great implied odds to a hand that will usually get paid off if it hits. baby to mid suited connectors love calling a read pocket pair with 15-20 times the preflop bet behind. it's like shoting fish in a barrell.

He didn't have to have the combo draw. He could of been set mining and hit trips for the reraise also. Not merely the big draw he had. I prefer to play KK stronger in early position than standard.preflop. Hoping to be able to more reliably figure the range of likely starting hands post flop villian holds.

Your raise post flop was to small also. Your initial bet should of been pot to pot and a 1/2. Then you likely get a monster reraise from villian. But maybe you get a call on the flop. Screaming trouble rather than the thought they could be stealing. Thus you can fold there all in if it happened on the flop or could perhaps figure out you were out drawn down the road. Remember in a normal situation even big draws have less than even money post turn. Much easier to find a pot odds arguement drawers can buy into after 4th street than after the flop. I prefer getting the big money in after the turn in ring game poker. I just hate post flop bingo.

Remember ring game poker is all about pot odds 101. Nothing else matters. You try and get all the money in when your a 70-30% favorite or better. Play small ball and position on everything else percentage wise. Play reasonably tight losening up closer to the button. Look for reasons to fold your small blind. And lastly good bankroll management. No more than 10% on the table.

As for KK stronger betting in early position preflop.

jst like when i get poket As lol

Stan7777, thank you so much for your analysis.

What I gather most from it was, more strength preflop (In this instance with what the standard raising at the table had been, I felt I over bet preflop). Aggression is not something I lack, little bit more control will help.

Second, I miss interpruted his post flop action. I reviewed that table some more and saw that I hadn't seen or noticed him show down prior to my hand with him/her. After it was all said and done, he turned out to be a pretty loose and passive player. Speculating and laying down, but I didn't have enough information on him at the time, I do know my table image was very tight and reasonably aggressive when I chose to play. Over all I never saw him show a pocket pair, however all the cards he did show were were suited (not a bad thing, just something I noticed). But like I said, my had was the first I saw him show down with and had not real clue other than he had won with out showing down when he had won.

Third, to help take the odds away push stronger on the turn rather than on the flop. Simple but for some reason I don't ever remember having it explained to me quite that way before. In this instance it wouldn't have mattered cause he would have hit the straight on the turn and I still wouldn't have put him on those two cards.

If I bet on the flop, over bet the pot not 3/4 of the pot if trying to push someone off a flush draw. In this instance he had more than just a flush draw, but I thought when you get down to head to head 3/4 would equate out to being mathmaticly wrong to chase a weak flush.

In this instance too the implied odds definately made his preflop action correct but I have a hard time justifing "implied" odds preflop. Simply because I feel I will miss more than I hit and therefore am losing more than I should because I'm deeper into a hand than I should have ever gotten myself into, making it harder to fold cause I have already built the pot to be too large by simply getting involved in the hand.

Thank again, that is some advice I will have to put into practice.

P.S. This is probably my 3rd or 4th hand in 2 days that I have had my kings cracked. I'm pretty sure I've posted those other ones too, hense the title of this blog.

i agree with Hughes4 , it is possible to win with KK, ive even witnessed it before with my own eyes