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Is the RB rankings system flawed?

Jun 19, 2008 7:37 am Report Abuse

Hey Everyone,

I was looking over the ranking systems for the freerolls and the buyin tourneys and I kind of think the system is flawed. Shouldn't the money won be the most deciding factor? I know we have varying levels of money payouts for the freerolls and buyins, but ultimately I think the guy that plays twenty freerolls and perhaps wins three of them, winning sixty bucks is doing better than the same guy who cashed small in 13 of 20 events. I'd appreciate some input on this and any clarifications needed.

Thanks
BigJoeJones


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Hughes4 Jun 19, 2008 7:47 am

The system is flawed for the money games.

Where if you get 28th in a $1 game, you get more points than if you win a $5 game.

But, they give out a lot of free money every month so, no reason to question them.

Phingroov Jun 19, 2008 7:51 am

I agree with Hughes. Totally. It blows, but it isn't changing.

Hughes4 Jun 19, 2008 7:53 am

Yeah theres no way they can change it mid-year.

But it would be nice if a lot of people got behind this and maybe we can strive for a more fair system next year.

stone789 Jun 19, 2008 8:06 am

no the guy that finishes in the money more will be better and do better in long run then just a guy who won 3 times no matter the $ ammount its how many times you place consistantly ..

srry but jamie gold is far far wrse playr then ivy or helmuth . and neither of them have won as much as jamie..RIGHT ... gl the stonedman!!!

Phingroov Jun 19, 2008 8:10 am
good point, stone, but it is weighted heavier for larger fields. jamie gold is not as good as ivey or helmuth, but he has beaten a field that neither of the others has. By our system, Gold is ahead. That's the problem.
stone789 Jun 19, 2008 8:15 am
the point system is to reflect consistant and good play .. as does the poker playrs league. if it went by most money we would never be rewarding good play only one timers like gold or luck as in money maker and gold
Phingroov Jun 19, 2008 8:16 am
Upon reflection, I don't fully understand our system well enough to back up what I just said, but if I wasn't playing in a game right now I'd like to see, for example, how a couple years worth of WSOP event winners would rank in our system. Not just the ME, but the whole shot. My theory is that the bigger field for the ME would out-point consistent finishes in the smallest 5 events. Just a theory, and if nobody tests it before I do, I'll post results here.
RailJoe Jun 19, 2008 8:33 am
Actually, I agree that the system isn't perfect, although I wouldn't say flawed. We'll be looking at changing it next year if we can make one that's better. Going by money won is a worse idea though, as the prize curve is very steep. And as Hughes says, there's no way we can change it mid-year.
Phingroov Jun 19, 2008 8:39 am

I should point out that I don't mind the current system. I simply have noticed that larger fields yield more points. If you know and understand the system (as I have admitted I do NOT), you should be able to rise (again, something I can't do, lol).

Just glad to see it discussed.

tiltaholic Jun 19, 2008 9:30 am

I disagree and think the system is pretty good as it is. Maybe the higher placings could be weighted a bit more but as far as the freerolls go, I think consistently cashing is pretty good and tough to do (wading thru the vast schools of donk-fish).

I couldn't offer any input on the RMR $ one's cuz so far I haven't gotten into them. To win over a smaller field at a higher buy-in level I don't believe should be weighted more than the lower buy-ins (maybe a bit,.. but would have no idea as to how much?). How do some of the online stat. sites do it? I notice they'll rank a player with say a +4% ROI in bigger buy-ins as a higher rating than say a +35% ROI in cheaper ones?? Who knows.....

BigJoeJones Jun 19, 2008 9:40 am
I just meant to stir up conversation on the subject. I'm very thankful for railbirds and the community. I just wanted to chat on this subject and hear the wise folks of railbirds chime in. No matter what the system is, we have the best family around and I wouldn't trade it anywhere, anyday. Please don't take this as ungratefulness or harsh criticism. Thanks for the input everyone.
TheBear Jun 19, 2008 9:49 am

The system is already weighted towards higher finishes. I believe its flaws are that there should be a 1000 pts for first irrespective of field size so its more consistent. For the RmR games, some consideration of stake paid should be built in.

None of this matters very much for the annual freeroll rankings as its only for fun and there are no annual prizes. Entry to the monthly freeroll can be achieved by 3 or 4 good results under any system.

JuicyLucy1988 Jun 19, 2008 11:05 am
the rankings system isnt fair as it favours North America. only one player,TheBear,is not from the us or Canada. he is ranked 4th behind a player who has 60 pts more and played twice as many games! thats not fair.
a fairer system would be to count onlt the best 50 results inthe annual rankings. this would be fairer to people from around the world, who cant play every freeroll, with the bets player winning.
TheBear Jun 19, 2008 1:30 pm

Not sure your solution would work Lucy. The only way really to be competitive is to move to the US but I wouldn't want to do that and miss out on the pleasant weather,good company and culture here.

For me, the freeroll rankings are like the World Series of Baseball - it'll most likely be won by americans, and good luck to them.

In any case like I was saying, it's only for fun, and do I really give a smile. I'm more concerned about the random colour generator on this site that allocates expert status, now that really does need fixing.

chasingbrat Jun 19, 2008 1:47 pm
i have placed in so many of these tourneys but it shows my money earned at 0 dollars and no places ever shown i think it is a big joke the ranking systems i dont ever even bother checking it anymore
smok3nmirrors Jun 19, 2008 1:50 pm

Well of course North America is favored- after all it IS TEXAS hold'em.....and I don't think OMAHA refers to a code named beach in France.

As for the point system- I was surprised that the same formula applied to free rolls and real money rankings......but I can understand why.

At Jetset Poker the ranking system included a multiplication factor based on the ammount of buyin. However, if Railbirds were to do that- many birds would be "unfairly" excluded from the competition due to the size of their bankroll.


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