Do you fold here?
It's still early in the tourney (bout 35 minutes in), and I am still confident I can build my stack.
The precursor to this is the hand before where I raised from an early position as well, with AA that time. Frankly I'm not ready to flip a coin for my tourney just yet.
PokerStars Game #16468520303: Tournament #83221961, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/04/03 - 21:37:54 (ET)
Table '83221961 102' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Bo0sh79 (1890 in chips)
Seat 2: crescent (1975 in chips)
Seat 3: TIMBA883 (2905 in chips)
Seat 4: kenteris (1980 in chips)
Seat 5: Safe_out (1740 in chips)
Seat 6: mushmyster (2740 in chips)
Seat 7: wak2007 (6752 in chips)
Seat 8: GlenA (1385 in chips)
Seat 9: thailanddave (1165 in chips)
thailanddave: posts small blind 25
Bo0sh79: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Safe_out


crescent: calls 50
TIMBA883: calls 50
kenteris: folds
Safe_out: raises 200 to 250
mushmyster: folds
wak2007: folds
GlenA: folds
thailanddave: calls 225
Bo0sh79: raises 1640 to 1890 and is all-in
crescent: folds
TIMBA883: folds
Safe_out: folds
thailanddave: calls 915 and is all-in
*** FLOP ***



*** TURN ***



*** RIVER ***




*** SHOW DOWN ***
thailanddave: shows


(a full house, Fives full of Nines)
Bo0sh79: shows


(three of a kind, Fives)
thailanddave collected 2680 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2680 | Rake 0
Board





Seat 1: Bo0sh79 (big blind) showed


and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 2: crescent folded before Flop
Seat 3: TIMBA883 folded before Flop
Seat 4: kenteris folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Safe_out folded before Flop
Seat 6: mushmyster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: wak2007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: GlenA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: thailanddave (small blind) showed


and won (2680) with a full house, Fives full of Nines
23 comments
i wouldve went with my gut instint man, thats a very tough fold early in a tourney even if its for your life, keep us updated on how you finish man ?
gl 2 u
cheers
no harm in folding, he could have A-junk and outdraw you, or QQ or KK or AA, it is only level III
I think good fold. As you said its early you can build a stack still. JJ is a tough hand to decide how strong to play for me at times. Good luck the rest of the way
Cheers Krypto
PokerStars Game #16469905659: Tournament #83221961, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/04/03 - 22:45:40 (ET)
Table '83221961 156' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: slowpoker33 (2305 in chips)
Seat 2: Safe_out (9918 in chips)
Seat 3: BedHead (4170 in chips)
Seat 4: mamaloo (4960 in chips)
Seat 5: ProxStar (8155 in chips)
Seat 6: splitz87 (1525 in chips)
Seat 7: belfastcont (4255 in chips)
Seat 8: Zeusss (4740 in chips)
Seat 9: x_Stefanie_x (13865 in chips)
slowpoker33: posts the ante 25
Safe_out: posts the ante 25
BedHead: posts the ante 25
mamaloo: posts the ante 25
ProxStar: posts the ante 25
splitz87: posts the ante 25
belfastcont: posts the ante 25
Zeusss: posts the ante 25
x_Stefanie_x: posts the ante 25
Zeusss: posts small blind 150
x_Stefanie_x: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Safe_out
slowpoker33: folds
Safe_out: raises 700 to 1000
BedHead: folds
mamaloo: folds
ProxStar: folds
splitz87: folds
belfastcont: folds
Zeusss: calls 850
x_Stefanie_x: folds
*** FLOP ***
Zeusss: bets 900
Safe_out: raises 1200 to 2100
Zeusss: raises 1200 to 3300
Safe_out: raises 1200 to 4500
Zeusss: calls 415 and is all-in
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Zeusss: shows
Safe_out: shows
Safe_out collected 9955 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9955 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: slowpoker33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Safe_out showed
Seat 3: BedHead folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mamaloo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ProxStar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: splitz87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: belfastcont (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Zeusss (small blind) showed
Seat 9: x_Stefanie_x (big blind) folded before Flop
That all-in doesn't feel like AA's or KK's, so you can assume that you are starting out ahead. But with a player behind you, you never know what he may do. Though he did only call your initial raise, so you can probably assume you are ahead of him as well.
So from the action, you may be able to assume that you have the best hand pre-flop. But you will most likely be up against 2 over-cards, so at best it's a coin flip.
Going back to your original starting chip stack at this point is not too costly. But it sure sucks when you see the end result.
I think it is the right play. A tough lay down though.
During current Hold'em session you were dealt 121 hands and saw flop:
- 9 out of 15 times while in big blind (60%)
- 7 out of 14 times while in small blind (50%)
- 13 out of 92 times in other positions (14%)
- a total of 29 out of 121 (23%)
Pots won at showdown - 7 of 11 (63%) - (this could be better but two of em were all in check downs)
Pots won without showdown - 6
Stack: largest 47454, smallest 259, average 9319
Your current position is 171 out of 286
Time bank balance is 60 seconds
During current Hold'em session you were dealt 196 hands and saw flop:
- 12 out of 24 times while in big blind (50%)
- 11 out of 22 times while in small blind (50%)
- 17 out of 150 times in other positions (11%)
- a total of 40 out of 196 (20%)
Pots won at showdown - 10 of 16 (62%)
Pots won without showdown - 13
Stack: largest 204693, smallest 1589, average 37542
Your current position is 46 out of 71 - (my stack is $25,761)
Time bank balance is 60 seconds
Playing online you could have just gone all in.
The weird thing is if online poker randomizers are anything like video poker randomizer, the cards to be dealt are continuously shuffling so that if online the quarter second delay you do between calling and folding could mean that the whole flop, turn and river would be different. Thats just the way it is in video poker they might use preset random patterns online.
Playing online you could have just gone all in.
The weird thing is if online poker randomizers are anything like video poker randomizer, the cards to be dealt are continuously shuffling so that if online the quarter second delay you do between calling and folding could mean that the whole flop, turn and river would be different. Thats just the way it is in video poker they might use preset random patterns online.
Playing online you could have just gone all in.
The weird thing is if online poker randomizers are anything like video poker randomizer, the cards to be dealt are continuously shuffling so that if online the quarter second delay you do between calling and folding could mean that the whole flop, turn and river would be different. Thats just the way it is in video poker they might use preset random patterns online."
from what I know FT utilizes a constant shuffle, whereas I believe pokerstars has it so the deck is set at the beginning of a hand. but i do not know the math on it.
PokerStars Game #16472451618: Tournament #83221961, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2008/04/04 - 01:15:08 (ET)
Table '83221961 71' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: DroppinBeats (46584 in chips)
Seat 2: cardwiz617 (99416 in chips)
Seat 3: _mygoddess_ (83631 in chips)
Seat 4: Puncher24 (176194 in chips)
Seat 7: keeperz (43971 in chips)
Seat 8: Marlboro III (223194 in chips)
Seat 9: Safe_out (65221 in chips)
DroppinBeats: posts the ante 400
cardwiz617: posts the ante 400
_mygoddess_: posts the ante 400
Puncher24: posts the ante 400
keeperz: posts the ante 400
Marlboro III: posts the ante 400
Safe_out: posts the ante 400
Puncher24: posts small blind 2000
keeperz: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Safe_out
PokerFaCeS X is connected
Marlboro III: raises 11000 to 15000
Safe_out: raises 25000 to 40000
DroppinBeats: folds
cardwiz617: folds
_mygoddess_: folds
Puncher24: folds
keeperz: folds
Marlboro III: raises 182794 to 222794 and is all-in
Safe_out: calls 24821 and is all-in
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Marlboro III: shows
Safe_out: shows
Safe_out collected 138442 from pot
Marlboro III said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 138442 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: DroppinBeats folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: cardwiz617 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: _mygoddess_ (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Puncher24 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: keeperz (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Marlboro III showed
Seat 9: Safe_out showed