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Apr 1, 2008 6:29 am Report Abuse

PokerStars Game #16402241231: Tournament #82982582, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/04/01 - 00:21:57 (ET) Table '82982582 6' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: moeprobert (1480 in chips) is sitting out Seat 2: ZIMMzimma54 (1070 in chips) Seat 3: Dylan0421 (1080 in chips) Seat 4: scheetz2 (1380 in chips) Seat 5: JayAA85 (1420 in chips) Seat 6: Jimdeez (3980 in chips) Seat 7: Magic_JD (1490 in chips) is sitting out Seat 8: seventh_sam (1450 in chips) Seat 9: DeuceJr22 (1540 in chips)
moeprobert: posts small blind 10
ZIMMzimma54: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DeuceJr22 6d3c
Dylan0421: folds
scheetz2: folds
JayAA85: calls 20
Jimdeez: folds
Magic_JD: folds
seventh_sam: folds
DeuceJr22: raises 60 to 80
moeprobert: folds
ZIMMzimma54: folds
JayAA85: calls 60
*** FLOP *** QcTsTh
JayAA85: bets 100
DeuceJr22: raises 220 to 320
JayAA85: calls 220
*** TURN *** QcTsTh 2d
Magic_JD has returned
JayAA85: checks
DeuceJr22: bets 1140 and is all-in
JayAA85: calls 1020 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** QcTsTh2d 9c
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JayAA85: shows 5hQh (two pair, Queens and Tens)
DeuceJr22: shows 6d3c (a pair of Tens)
JayAA85 collected 2870 from pot
DeuceJr22 said, "wow you are terrible."
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2870 | Rake 0
Board QcTsTh2d9c
Seat 1: moeprobert (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: ZIMMzimma54 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 3: Dylan0421 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: scheetz2 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: JayAA85 showed 5hQh and won (2870) with two pair, Queens and Tens Seat 6: Jimdeez folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: Magic_JD folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: seventh_sam folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: DeuceJr22 (button) showed 6d3c and lost with a pair of Tens



Now was I right to say he was terrible? Did I really make a bad play? Or did I just run into a "donk?"

*keep in mind, it was blind poker, meant to be a bluff not me calling donking with 63.
* he calls a raise with q5, then bets out, gets raised 3x calls. checks then gets put allin and still calls.

* I understand, normaly Id lay down on turn... but that dead card on turn and him checking, shows me... he does not have a ten, does not even have a decent queen with the check, and if he was on a straight draw missed it. Thats why I made the river bet.
i just cant understand his play... or can say...well i got caught, just looks like terrible play to me.

** also, I hadnt made a bet yet... i won 50 chips from big blind checking down...folded every hand untill then.


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curtinsea Apr 1, 2008 6:32 am
you shouldn't have tried to bluff there with a caller before you, put you out of position when he called your raise. He bet the paired board, you should have folded. Had you had position, you could have bet the paired board and won the pot.
Madchemist24 Apr 1, 2008 6:34 am

though you tried to represent a hand ..... not smart play. When he called your first overbet....you should have droped that hand and waited for a better place to try the bluff.

just my 2 cents.

MC24

Icallu Apr 1, 2008 6:45 am

Only my opinion.......

1) You were seat 9, right, you had the button. I'm an aggressive player, fully aware of positions, so every time the button bets or raises, I am on full alert that they could be playing position and not their cards.

2) Continuation bets - I am so very alert to that.

3) Preflop, postflop - fine you made a play for the pot. But you should have definitely let the hand go by the turn.

And I have to disagree with your comment, he was not terrible - you just got caught, that's all. It happens to us all.......

GL,

Icallu

Icallu Apr 1, 2008 6:48 am

Forgot to add: as to whether or not, he's a "donk" if he continues on and ITM, final table and/or win it, then the answer is no. But if he goes out in a blaze without ITM (if this was mid to late in the tourney) then yes. Early in the tourney, hard to tell.

Just my opinion.

Deucejr22 Apr 1, 2008 6:55 am
thanks for the comments. Taken. Anyone else?
nevadanick Apr 1, 2008 6:57 am

Icallu 'bout said it all. Just because you bluff does not mean villain will fold. You decided to over-push will absolutely nothing, out of position - and he did have a hand. He hit - you didn't.

Also - Level I .. a lot of players make power moves to take an early chip lead and establish image. Better luck next time - but pick a better place. If you get caught/called - fold it. You are not married to a bluff.

Deucejr22 Apr 1, 2008 7:00 am
now... you say that. But his hand doesnt beat QJ KQ AQ 10 10 JJ QQ KK AA, all of which could be raising hands. if he folds you say, good bet. also if u know his card. and he folds...you say...good fold he prob had one of the hands listed. And as far as out of position, with a bluff...you would rather act last... which. IS IN POSITION.
momoney2 Apr 1, 2008 7:08 am

Why bother making that play at Level I? It's way too early to try to make sophisticated plays or outrageous bluffs.

If players have any part of the flop in the early going of a tournament, most of them are looking to double-up or move onto the next freeroll. They may be in a 2 or 3 more at the same time, so going out at Level I when they have only invested 10 minutes or less is no big deal.

Save your bluffs for later in the tournament when you are up against better players that are willing to laydown a hand.

Don't take this personally, but this was a donk move. You always have to be aware of the state of mind of your opponents throughout the tournament. Early on, most don't care if they go out.

Better luck next time.

Markie141 Apr 1, 2008 7:18 am

I fail to see how anyone's entire game can be judged in one hand , you made your play he made his , he either is very loose and will call anything or he just didn't believe you and caught you , either way he had a hand and you didn't , never let them see you sweat , say nh and move on , gl

Madchemist24 Apr 1, 2008 7:19 am

all of the comments are good and not meant to attack your play. You just need to know when your bluff stopped working and bail before it gets you short stacked.

Look for more opportune times to employ them. i.e.: better possition, later in the tourney when you can steal blinds to make the next rounds. Let the eager beavers knock themselves out first.

Take care, see ya at the tables.

MC24

nevadanick Apr 1, 2008 6:34 pm
momoney << it was a $5.50 buy-in, not a FR, but still doesn't change much for the players who have as little regard for lower buy-ins.
NobleTruths Apr 1, 2008 6:53 pm

Deuce, if you want better players to respect what you are representing, you need to play at higher buy-ins. In the lower games, TAG is superior. Also, i agree with the others that you needed to recognize that it was time to let go. Also, what value was it to be derogatory? Gives YOU the bad image, especially in light of your cards.....he wont understand the concept behind your play.

mr.d.carter Apr 2, 2008 12:38 am
u should have never been there period
emb_30 Apr 3, 2008 2:01 am
You should have given up on the hand by the turn. Him calling your raise on the flop means you know that he probably has a Queen. As far as considering his c/c on the turn a bad play...it's also the only way he could get all your chips in with a weak hand. Like others have said...sometimes you just have to give up on the hand and know when you are beat.
spliff3845 Apr 3, 2008 2:23 am
ok so you tell the guy "wow you are terrible", and now you ask how can he make that call.. my question to you is how can you make that bet?
i pretty much agree with all the replies on here.
he obviously is thinking that you're on a draw or just bluffing because if you did flop trips why would you play it in this manner.. in my opinion that was a very unnecessary all in move on the turn on your part.. basically you'll only get called there if you're beat so it really accomplishes nothing.
Baseball_Tim Apr 3, 2008 2:26 am
why are u stealing blinds @ 10/20... ur steal for 30 chips ended up with u losing your whole stack... fold pre here 100% of the time and dont even think about it... i fold flop also, but the raise isnt terrible after he calls.. i dont see him calling on a draw so for him to call he has a hand like QJ, a ten, maybe QT, i probably play a house exactly like he did... i dont like the overbet on the turn, i dont really see overshoving a ten here which i dont make his call, but i can justify a call the way he played the hand.... anyways you made this hand way too difficult on yourself, fold preflop, fold after he leads, and make a smaller bet on the turn... theres really no point in stealing the blind with junk hands at this point in the tournament, wait for the blinds to get to where the blinds mean something to your stack... anyways hope that helps
holdin2s Apr 3, 2008 2:48 am

I am sitting here with my hubz, and we both dicided when we saw you raise preflop...you were dommed.

Ive heard it say, .."anyone can win with the best hand,...but it takes skill to win with a bad one"...so please ..bring your skill to my table any time...I would of called you also.

JasperJr Apr 3, 2008 2:51 am
I believe that Freudian philosophy would say that you were in fact referring to self when you made your comment about being terrible. That being said, I think Tim had the story right. It was a very bad play to get so committed.
IOnlyLoseToLuck Apr 7, 2008 11:11 am
In "MY OPINION" you should have never been in the hand. I see that you were trying to use the button and steal the blinds but i think it was way to early for that. I think its pointless to steal blinds during the early levels. Also you probably could have accomplished the same thing with a 3x's the BB raise then a 4x's the BB raise. If they'd call a 3....they'd call a 4....lol. Anyways, it almost looks like you had your mind on winning/stealing this pot and were not gonna budge. I think while you probably never should have played that hand in the first place this early you should have at least folded to his bet on the flop (You tried and should have just let the 80 chips go instead of busting out with 6 high). So to wrap it up, i think it was a bluff gone WAY to far and the guy made good calls.....which were crazy....but never the less....good. Also the, "wow you are terrible" was way to far. I'd stick to improving your game and keep away from the trash talk when you get busted.

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