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Bad Luck, Cheating and Fish

Feb 15, 2008 2:40 pm Report Abuse

I suspect nearly everyone here has heard the line "If you can't spot the sucker, then the sucker is you." It makes an elementary point that goes beyond determining the relative strengths of players at the table; that fish are best characterized not by how they play, but by the skills they lack.

But the ability to categorize players isn't the only skill lacking in fish. Perhaps the most important skill that is lacking in almost anyone you could call a fish is a basic understanding of the relative importance of luck and skill, and how probability works. To put this more elequently,

If you think that luck has been the primary determining factor in your results, especially your losses, then you are a fish.

That doesn't mean that you won't have misfortune, in fact you definately will if you play poker. But if you believe that bad luck is the determining factor in your long term results, then you are a fish.

I bring this up because there are so many players here that want to blame external factors for their bad results. The bad news is that if you think this way, you are probably not as good a player as you give yoruself credit for. The good news is that your view of poker is wrong, and that you can be in control of your own destiny; though you will first need to change your whole perception of the game.

I am sure the people who most need to grasp this completely disagree with me at this point, at least with regards to themselves. So let me put it another way. Over time everybody gets some good cards and a lot of bad cards, some that are unbelievably bad. The players who are able to succeed aren't those who get the best cards, they are the ones who best take advantage of their good cards, and are best able to avoid losing with their bads ones (either through good folds, or good bluffs).

If you choose to blame luck for your loses then you are giving your power away. For some people it might feel better to not have to blame themselves when they lose, but by not examining a loss for how you might have played it better, you are refusing to better your play and dooming yourself to that situation again. If you have "the worst luck" as some people claim, it almost certainly is because you put yourself in situations that allow you to be victimized by bad cards.

Ditto for blaming the site. You know how stupid players at brick and mortar casino sound who blame the dealers for their bad luck? Blaming the online site is no different. There are certainly crooked people in and around poker, its the nature of so much money being there for the taking. But if you think the game you are in is bad, or the players may be cheating you, then leave. But when you join the chorus of those who feel that all online poker is rigged you are giving your power away. If you really feel that way, then don't play. But if you do decide to play, rather than use the supposed rigging as an excuse to not examine your play you should try to figure out what you could be doing differently. I have met more than a few that will use their live results to prove that online must be rigged; here's a news flash - they're different games. You need a totally different style of play to be successful online, and every moment you spend screaming "its rigged" is a moment you could have been figuring out what needs to change in your game to make you successful online.

So if you really care about poker and want to be better at it, you always need to be looking to yourself first when you lose. Yes there will be some situations that are unavoidable or beyond your control, but when after carefully ruling out any other action you could have taken you are left with nothing but external factors left to blame, then you should feel peace not rage; after all you know that you are playing correctly and that over time you will show a profit.



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Cajun_Fryer Feb 15, 2008 2:59 pm

Well put! I know when I lose it is my own fault, even if I have the best hand and then get drawn out on the river. It is important that you understand the person you are playing against and not only make a decision based on your card but position, and the people you are up against. I never blame others for my play even if they should not have been in the hand. One thing that has really help me is taking notes on everyone who is at my table. It really gives me a good view of what they may do.

Great blog

GL and TC

Cajun

FlopDaNutz Feb 15, 2008 3:11 pm
very informative blog and makes a person wonder where they stand on the felt...........keep up the good work!!!!
TheBear Feb 15, 2008 3:31 pm

I hope you are right but especially with NL holdem, there is a great deal of luck involved. I heard a pro the other day say he thought luck counted for as much as 60%.

For me the skill comes in not by saying there isn't any luck involved but by accepting that there is. We all suffer bad beats - a conservative player will only ever suffer beats and never cause any,for example, always having the aces that get cracked and never calling with the 72o that would crack the kings.There's a clue there on how to play.

Over time a consistent approach, reading of the table, and knowing when to fold and push give a player a competitive edge.

See you at the tables...

Fredloaf Feb 15, 2008 3:46 pm
Very good post...I hope everyone reads it.
LakeBug Feb 15, 2008 4:28 pm

Nice Blog,

I find the people, who do the whole "blow up" thing after a loss are the most inexperienced players on the table. Sure it sucks to loss a big pot, but how you handle the loss, defines you.

Good Luck!

topcat1954 Feb 15, 2008 5:05 pm

Thought provoking blog there Frosty ! You are entirely right in what you say, and said it well ! There is a lot more to winning at poker than catching good cards, and the sooner someone realizes that, the sooner they can start finding ways to win.

..........play on ..........Tc.............

Frosty_Aces Feb 15, 2008 5:16 pm
TheBear, I think you and I have closer viewpoints than you realize. I am not trying to say that there is no luck, I am trying to say that when you use its existence to exuse your own bad play, you are dooming yourself to more "bad luck". Just as an example, a little more than a week ago I had a string of tournements where I went out on the bubble. My first reaction was not to blame bad luck, even though I had my money in with the best of it every time but once; my first reaction was to try to figure out if my play had changed in a way that could explain the results. The reality was that even though I did get bad cards, my own play created the situations that allowed me to be out drawn (and more importantly, busted). If I had looked first to luck, I might still be stuck in said streak.
allndave Feb 15, 2008 5:33 pm

hand to hand is 90% luck 10% skill , over the year or liftime it's 90% skill 10% luck , chris fergison

if i win it's skill if you win it's luck , alln dave


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