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IM TIRED OF SHIT LIKE THIS HAPPENING TO ME

Jan 26, 2008 9:59 am Report Abuse

Full Tilt Poker Game #4999772118: Table Betty (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:50:58 ET - 2008/01/26
Seat 1: Rockling ($23.90)
Seat 2: gopanes ($8.60)
Seat 3: MUCKKINHELL ($16.20)
Seat 4: crevices ($3.65)
Seat 6: JCrew_311 ($18.50)
JCrew_311 posts the small blind of $0.10
Rockling posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to crevices AdKc
Duugs sits down
gopanes folds
Duugs adds $25
MUCKKINHELL raises to $0.85
Duugs stands up
crevices raises to $3.65, and is all in
JCrew_311 folds
jjari sits down
Rockling folds
jjari adds $25
MUCKKINHELL has 15 seconds left to act
MUCKKINHELL calls $2.80
crevices shows AdKc
MUCKKINHELL shows KdJs
*** FLOP *** JdKs5s
*** TURN *** JdKs5s 3d
*** RIVER *** JdKs5s3d 5h
crevices shows two pair, Kings and Fives
MUCKKINHELL shows two pair, Kings and Jacks
MUCKKINHELL wins the pot ($7.30) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
crevices is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.65 | Rake $0.35
Board: JdKs5s3d5h
Seat 1: Rockling (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: gopanes didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: MUCKKINHELL showed KdJs and won ($7.30) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 4: crevices (button) showed AdKc and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 6: JCrew_311 (small blind) folded before the Flop

PEOPLE HAVE NO BUSINESS CALLING WITH SHIT LIKE THIS


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Phingroov Jan 26, 2008 10:15 am

You just went all-in pre-flop with AK? It certainly sucks to lose to a lesser hand, but AK is only A-high. What hand would you have been happy losing to? Make this move often enough and you may discover that the times you get called you will be facing only strong hands. Would you have been mad if he called with JJ and won? Or KK? Or AA?

Agreed, it's a bad beat, but an avoidable bad beat for sure. Oh yeah, and watch the profanity. I personally don't care, but it is against the Terms of Service, and the pro-rails have been enforcing bans for less. Be careful.

Sorry about this idiot, tho, but remember that if this exact hand played a hundred times, you'd be a big winner.

freakyfish00 Jan 26, 2008 10:17 am
Yeah I agree they shouldnt have made that call

But why did you make that bet?
cutler624 Jan 26, 2008 10:43 am
Im sick of hearing about people and their bad beats who cares its gambling it happens. Everyone gets bad beats and thats all people post any more bad beats, jokes, and online poker is rigged. Nothing else is posted
Markie141 Jan 26, 2008 10:47 am
I'm pretty sure when you went all in you wanted a call , he got a lucky flop it happens , that's the chance you take, gl !
Tornado-alley Jan 26, 2008 10:58 am

Going on all night, sorry to say.

tragic.addict Jan 26, 2008 11:02 am
yeah the point about you wanting a caller is dead on.

and if you've got a/k, a weaker king or weaker ace is the best call you can ask for. it essentially limits them to three outs, and you're winning 75% of those.

yeah, the bad beat sucks, get over it. just pray that every time you shove with a/k you get called by someone holding a weaker ace or king. your odds in that situation are better than if they call with 10/7 off suit.

be glad that people who make that call are out there because in the end they make you money.

if you shove with a/k preflop, the average calling hand is going to be a higher percentage hand than k/j. you're going to be looking at coin flips on average, and not all of those with you in the lead. you'll have to draw out from under someone else on plenty of occasions.

you got the best you could hope for in this situation and the outcome sucked, sorry to hear that.

check out my "dominated... NOT" blog where i listed my stats in a two day session of situations just like these (except about 90% were all-in after the flop or turn, not preflop) where i lost something like 26/35. i think only 4 were all-in preflop, though i'd have to go back to my notes to be sure. statistically i should have lost only around 10 of these. preflop i was a 3.5 to 1 favorite, instead it was over twice that many, nearly 3x! that's life, if you're protecting your bankroll properly it won't bust you.
manx3legs Jan 26, 2008 11:11 am

Just another day at the office!! It happens!! Why u worrying about it!!!

The GOF.

jrusarmy Jan 26, 2008 3:13 pm
Agree , But thats the way some people play I wouldn't have called it but there are and always will be people who do.
pokermod Jan 26, 2008 3:29 pm
Sorry for what happend.. but you can be THAT mad.
It's not like he called you with 7-2 or some crap like that.. he had an OK hand for starters.
SavagePenguin Jan 26, 2008 4:27 pm
I play the $.10/$.25 tables (on Stars, not FT).

First off, why are you sitting with just $3.65? If you think you're better than most players there, then you're crippling your profit potential. I see short stacks like yours as targets. They make not-so-bright moves, like going all-in pre-flop with A/Ko to someone with 4x his stack who raises under the gun.

So basically it cost him $2.80 more to win $4.50. That's just 1-to-1.6 odds. Figure a short stack will bluff 20% of the time in this situation. Figure that if you had a big pair you'd design the bet to get action. Figure that if you had any of the nine pairs lower than a J he's a coin flip to win. Figure that if you leave, someone with more chips to win will sit down (shorts stacks are sort of an annoyance). Then, well, I don't think it's too bad of a call.

The advantage of having a short stack is that you get called a lot more.
The disadvantage is that you can't bluff as much. And all-in with A/K is a semi-bluff.

If you had enough chips to make it sting, he wouldn't have called with K/J.
SavagePenguin Jan 26, 2008 4:30 pm
I want to add that his raising under the guy with K/Jo was dumb.
You both misplayed the hand, he more than you.
ButtonDog Jan 26, 2008 4:39 pm
Your all in was just equal to one fifth of his total chips. Why did you move all in preflop after he had already raised you when you knew that you had just a small fraction of the chips he had?
littlelemontart Jan 26, 2008 5:45 pm
i woulda called you, with KJ and 5x your stack?...i definitely woulda called
Slickpete23 Jan 26, 2008 6:06 pm

it was a very bad bet on his part, but that is poker!!! my advice, if you go up to higher buy in levels, that stuff will happen less, but it will still happen from time to time!! i think in 2006 WSOP, th guy utg raised 1200 chips holding K J, and Phil 'th god' re raised to 3200 wth AK, th dude went all in , and won!! it will happened!! honestly, going all in wth AK pre flop isnt a good idea, sometimes is better to fold them!! or better yet, why didnt you just called! u were in a great position against him!! sometimes i put a small raise out there holding AA, and just wait for an AK or AQ to raise me , and lots of players will do th same, be very careful wth those hands! good luck!

sincerely,

Slick


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