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At what point do YOU go all in preflop?

Jan 26, 2008 12:44 am Report Abuse

I was playin in a freeroll today on FT, the Railbirds freeroll actually. One of the other players starts sayin how i'm makin it no fun for anyone cause i'm going all-in pre-flop. ......Now a liitle background. I have taken a couple of bad beats... not whining, that's poker, fair dues. but now i find myself with a little more than 10 times BB> The hands that i went all-in with (and did not get called with..of course ) were, AQ suited, JJ, 10/10, and KJ suited, and it's not like it was 7 hands in a row, i had to wait for those cards. I watched a poker show where Phil "Unibomber" Laak was the dealer once, and he said that once you're down to 10x BB if your hand adds up to 18 you go all in......what do y'all think?


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Taz572 Jan 26, 2008 12:47 am
Usally after being repeatedly because I slow played a big pair.
Taz572 Jan 26, 2008 12:47 am
usually been rivered.
Impizzle Jan 26, 2008 12:48 am
sounds good. what does the A equal though. cant be 1 lol
Lloydinho77 Jan 26, 2008 1:10 am

I usually push with less than 10x BB but i'm looking for pocket pairs or suited A-T (specially connectors)

Only other time you'll see me push all in preflop is when some1 reraises my AA/KK

lexnat Jan 26, 2008 1:14 am
ur right under 10x times the big blind u move all in or fold
G.W.D. Jan 26, 2008 1:19 am

Don't worry about what someone else at the table tells you to do or stop doing - do what you want to do with your hand. In fact, taunting those people a little further might make them commit a mistake that gives you most of their chips lol.

Seriously, though, there are a few differing opinions regarding all-in or fold criteria. I've heard the 10BB, plus down to 8BB, or if your 'M' (cost per single round of the table) is less than 7, or if a call/'standard' raise is more than 30% of your stack - all-in, even if the call/raise is more than 10% all-in.

With either of these strategies, there are still optimum situations to apply them. For example, on a tight-ish table, early-mid position un limped or raised is a good place to push it all-in with some of the lesser hands like TT or even 99, and on a looser table, moving in from late position without any raises (limps are generally OK, but note the stack sizes of those limpers) with the higher end of your range of all-in cards is usually better.

I mention stack size, due to an observation of mine that to me appears to be an inequity of results in favour of 'big stacks' in all-in situations, specifically on Full Tilt. I reckon that those stacks, where they have about a 3+ to 1 chip advantage over the all-iner, usually get a favourable result by the river with any 2 cards about 2 times in 3. Which means regardless of what you hold, you've only got a 33% chance of doubling up against a big stack. Me personally, I'm currently running at a lowly 15% against big stacks where I've pushed all in and show over the statistically favourite hand, when I would expect it to be closer to 50%. I remain completely skeptical that there isn't something being manipulated in (possibly only low buy-in) tournaments, but that's just my paranoia from having lost those 'races' about 85% time... lol

Anyway, hope some of my waffle above helps - pick your all-ins carefully, and you should get a decent amount of double-ups and stay in the running.

Cheers, good luck and good decision making in every hand you play

Markie141 Jan 26, 2008 1:42 am
I'm sure he wasn't having fun , but it's not your job to entertain him lol, I don't always until a set number like10 bb though if I'm low and my table is passive and I think I can steal some blinds with a nice hand I will , gl
UK Richy Jan 26, 2008 1:48 am

Never, ever, ever...even if I have only 3 times the B/B...I still want to play my cards without sending them to the bingo hall!

Just calling with say AQ has tripled my stack because 3 or 4 have called and the flop has come my way! If you go all-in then you have anyone calling with anything and 5 cards MUST fall... but if the flop hits you it will pay or if the flop misses them you still have a chance they will fold to a bet!...if the flop goes against you you can fold and at least you are still in the game!

All-in is for the bingo players and 95% of all bad beat blogs are when there is an All-in preflop and someone catches a duece to suckout on AA!

If the All-in is "forced" upon you then go fot it!

Try it and see...play your chips with the skills you possess and don't send them to the lottery draw

Keep on truckin'....but don't let the poker gods drive your chips away!

Magician422 Jan 26, 2008 2:00 am
its all dependent in the end
go all in when u r around or under 10x the big blind
have a good hand of course
and hope 4 some luck
Markie141 Jan 26, 2008 2:12 am

I don't think a short stack can afford to play passively ,take control and make them decide , you can't afford to just call off more money and then fold when you are short ,if they don't like it they are free to call if they think they have a better hand than yours , but they most likely don't which is why they would prefer to see a cheap flop instead of folding the blinds to you lol

zingbust Jan 26, 2008 2:38 am
Go all in with any 2 cards if you're on the button and it's been folded to you and you have less than 10x bb, unless either of the blinds are just loose cannons. Don't wait till you're down to 5 x bb, in that case you don't have enough to make the blinds fold.

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