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Looking for suggestions on making more money per hand....

Jan 21, 2008 9:20 am Report Abuse

This is a rhetorical question but does anyone here take their game seriously?
What I mean is this.. everyone always talks about variance and the fact
that you can't win consistantly because of the luck of the cards. Well I don't
believe that. I have had some very bad beats and came back and won, I have
been low stack at the beginning of final tables and won and i place in easily
50% of my tourneys.
So my question is this.... I have perfected my strategy to the point that I can
final table almost every time I play but most of the time my problem is i am one
of the low stacks once i get there.
So how can i carry more chips to the final table. Some have said that I need
to loosen up more and play more hands, others say be more aggressive,
I have tried both but it takes me out of my groove.
My personal feelings is that I am doing it right as I am and that as I gain more
and more experience my winnings per hand will go up.
I have learned that from playing so many sng's my final table and heads up
play is much better than previous. So I have changed a few things...

1. I no longer play marginal hands before I have doubled up. Yes I know how to
play KQ suited from early position but I have learned that I don't need to.

2. I do NOT chase straights. Period. If they don't hit on flop or if it costs more than a
min raise AND its not open ended i drop it. Period.

3. I do not chase low stacks. If i have 5k and a low stack goes all in for 800 if I don't
have a hand that I would normally call 800 with the current blind level i fold. The few
times i win does not outweigh the risk of doubling up a low stack.

4. I look at my total stack as one final bet. Meaning.. if my hand is not one I would
call an all in with and be sure I would win I drop it. I.E. I have open ended straight draw
and someone has bet preflop and then on the flop, even though i probably have pot
odds to call I will dump the hand.

5. I stopped being scared to bubble. Alot of times we will play alot tighter near the
bubble to avoid going out early. I play my hands the same way every time. If I bubble
so be it but I will not go out without a fight.

These are my thoughts. If anyone has any additional suggestions please drop me aline.
If you don't agree with these, please keep it to yourself. I did not write this to tell you how
to play your hands. This is how I play mine and I win consistantly with it. I am just
making sure I am maximizing my profits.


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DarkOdin Jan 21, 2008 9:30 am
i agree with all the above except for #5 in some situations. if you played a cheap sat and are 1 spot away from making some cash and you have a small bankroll you should fold til you reach the money because the % is significant compared to your bankroll. if you however have a big bankroll and the cash doesnt really mean that much and you are only gonna make a significant % addition to your bankroll soley if you make the final table then you should play to win around the bubble.
Vodka_RedBull Jan 21, 2008 9:31 am
One thing you can do is get aggressive at the bubble. You said it yourself; that people tighten up at the bubble. Therefore the obvious counter to this is for u to loosen up and put people to the test who narrow their calling range at this point of the tourney.
Kaedyn Jan 21, 2008 9:38 am
Hmm two people telling me to get aggressive on the bubble
That I will definitely take into account
Thanx..
Anyone else with suggestions?
pasop007 Jan 21, 2008 9:48 am
If your not scared to go out on the bubble get aggresive yeah, of course sometimes it will cause you to bubble while normally you didn't but for me it pays of in the end. In 9 man sit and go's for example you can make most money (if you have an avarage stack already) when 4 people left.
CuntryGalJo Jan 21, 2008 9:56 am

ill agree with this i am alot like this playing

swinefarm Jan 21, 2008 9:58 am
Yes i agree with ur playing strategy and it looks good, I think you should noe be so concerned with "making money." It sounds like ur a lot like the player i am , i want that pro status so bad i can taste it. The guys like, Fossilman , KidPoker,
Moneymaker, Ferguson, Doyle, and last but not least my fav. Phil Laak, are the poker greats because they stuck with the game even though they were loseing in the learning process. These people are the legends that the cards have truely picked, there are a lot of people who are just as good as those guys, their just not in the limelight with the super-wins like, The Main Event. They all share one thing in common. Playing poker has nothing to do with the money for people like them. It is about a genuine love for "your" game. Just like say football there are many who want to be a pro-football player so bad, they'd make a money like Rudy. That puss. I am seriously joking there. Here's why.
Rudy was this shrimp who was like just too small for the game or something, my mom made me watch it!
The point is that guys like Laak are all wild and crazy acting to get people to either think they themselves are stupid and don't know what they are doing or to get their opponent al l pissed off and off their game. Look at the image they are putting on. why do they do that? Do you know how many people think I am a Farmer when I have dad a year of I.T. under my belt. I learned nut I never got my degree. Do you ever take a huge gamble All-In with say 5c-2h at the 50 person mark with 150,000 and then show? Just a couple thoughts GL.
Dukeofchaos87 Jan 21, 2008 10:03 am
i don't like number 4 why call a drawing hand and dump it on the flop.
You must know that if u flop top pair with ur hand its facing an over pair or outkicked so why did u call preflop. TO SHOVE ON THE FLOP. gotta get the money in and no better time then when ur drawing someone with a pair might already be drawing dead but ur not.

also i think the most important thing is to raise from the hijack (2 seats from the button) with a huge range if folded to and the cut off and button will fold many hands. u want position in a hand well HIJACK it.

If a shortstack pushes i can't see any reason to fold AK AQ or AJ (going down that scale the smaller the push is in relation to ur stack. If u'd raised these hands pre and he pushed u'd insta call. He is pushing a huge range including KQ and all weak aces and pairs. Reraise when the short moves in isolate urself wiht him and allow ur AK to see the river cheaply which is what Ak wants.

I'd also say that u can't call the shorts allin with medium pocket pairs TT at the least and thats at ur discretion. but calling with medium pockets isn't the way to knock out a shortstack when it isn't neccesarry at those blind levels


Also if there is a perfect little mouse of a player who has limped from middle position and u can put him on a hand then raise Q6 again from the hijack or cut off and isolate urself HU with the n00b

KQ -KJ AT-A9 are good for a raise in the blinds

once u can no longer limp pocket pairs with the right odds to flop a set or call a raiise in hopes of flopping a set (lets say 15% of ur stack) then u should raise or fold.
raising 33 utg does many things. it looks so strong the whole table insta folds around to the blinds. U get HU with the shortstack when he pushes. and if u get called u can release the hand easily or continuation bet bluff at the flop

this being said if ur table respects raises utg i suggest raising many hands from the suited connectors and broadway hands again u can release ur hand or make moves.
Dukeofchaos87 Jan 21, 2008 10:07 am
"Do you ever take a huge gamble All-In with say 5c-2h at the 50 person mark with 150,000 and then show? Just a couple thoughts GL."

YES i'm a donkey i love when ppl see the hands i'm donking off. then u quickly change gears and get ppl CheckRaisining u allin with KJ against AQ or pushing QJ anytime u raise from LP

INSTA call A6 lets see them get lucky hahahaha.
Kaedyn Jan 21, 2008 10:32 am
Let me clarify by what i meant by number 4
If i have open ended draw and its a low bet to call
i will call and if its an all in and not expensive
i will call but i will lay it down if someone else raised
preflop and then on flop and the bet on flop is above
the average
im a little more cautious because my flushes hit
MUCH more than my straights
TheMatrix Jan 21, 2008 10:40 am

Soo You need help chipping up heres some suggestions...

If you have Position on a EP-MP limper float in position and out play him post flop.

Reraise min raises post flop ATC.

3 bet people you feel are weak.

Be more aggressive in position on the bubble/Pay out bubbles

Take advantage of weak players who are out of position

Bet your draws

1 more thing kaedyn If you cashing in 50%! which has to be some sort of record, the highest ITM ive ever seen is like 25% over a large sample size. Why would u need advice? Keep doing whatever you are doing.

Kaedyn Jan 21, 2008 10:46 am
Ok maybe 50% was a little stretch but easily 30%
but these r sng's im talking about not the big huge mtts
and i need advice because as i said i dont have as many
chips as i would like once i hit final table
i am on the bubble right now so wish me luck i am stepping
up my aggression
TheMatrix Jan 21, 2008 10:55 am
Duke u made a good point about shove ranges.. like say the button shoves for 4-8 BBs il iso from the small blind with like a really wide range Q9+, any K, any A, Any PP you have to get a feel if the person is in despiration mode and if hes shoving ATC. Now if I have a monster I may just smooth call to enduce a Iso from the BB.
Tornado-alley Jan 21, 2008 11:22 am
Kaedyn Jan 21, 2008 11:28 am
First of all
That does not include 9 man sng's and if you
read my blogs or have talked to me personally you
know that MOST of my cashes are in 9 man tourneys
I don't need to lie about my win percentage and actually
i am probably alot closer to 40% than 30% because I play
very consistantly. So in the future as I stated in my original
post this blog was for help and advice not to get into an argument
on percentages. If you don't have anything positive to say...
You know the rest...
chiefchiefem Jan 21, 2008 11:33 am
NICE.....................................
Tornado-alley Jan 21, 2008 11:38 am

You are correct, it doesn't include 9 man SnG's but why play these, the payout is small considering the amount of time invested into them?

Also, why leave one team and join another without notification?

I'm not mad but am wondering why?

TheMatrix Jan 21, 2008 11:41 am

Kaedyn you can view your 9 man SNG stats at this website....

www.sharkscope.com

Ozi_Batla Jan 21, 2008 12:10 pm
You never mentioned that it was mostly 9plyr SnGs and i think most were under the impression that you meant MTTs next time be clear on what you are talkin about you are talkin final table BUT HANG ON 9 PLAYERS IS A FINAL TABLE!!!!!
DeeBud Jan 21, 2008 12:14 pm
Make sure to get a little more aggresive when blinds get higher, Try to steal sum blinds. and if playen for first make sure to be aggresive when yer stack is big enuff to be atleast somewhat feard. anyways goodluck bro Jmo
Dukeofchaos87 Jan 21, 2008 5:34 pm
and in addition to what the matrix was saying. floating the flop behind weak players is such a nice move

but i think i have a new one for those players who almost alway bet into the raiser

first i started by smooth calling and then raising it on the turn.

this works even when ur the original raiser because everyone expects me to make a continuation bet. sometimes a player will make a weak lead and then come over the top when i reraise A high.
By raising the turn on a 8 high board (where it is hard to represent a big hand) its shows more strength and often takes the hand right there. Also if i flopped a draw and raised it my style of play commits me to fire 2 more bullets on that opponent. again smooth calling and raising the turn is cheaper and even more scary and u can do it sometimes when ur not bet into instead of a standard continuation bet.

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