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Something fishy?

Jan 18, 2008 4:55 am Report Abuse

First let me start by saying I was not in this hand. I just got moved to this table, and this was the first hand I saw:

PokerStars Game #14634822731: Tournament #73139876, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/01/17 - 22:39:14 (ET)
Table '73139876 60' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: BotniaMuerte (15353 in chips)
Seat 2: Iplay2Fish (17516 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: pokerdummy83 (5209 in chips)
Seat 4: yabbatt (20862 in chips)
Seat 5: mw4485 (15599 in chips)
Seat 7: momoney2too (1885 in chips)
Seat 8: Shshowtime15 (10353 in chips)
Seat 9: Will Raze (7467 in chips)
BotniaMuerte: posts the ante 25
Iplay2Fish: posts the ante 25
pokerdummy83: posts the ante 25
yabbatt: posts the ante 25
mw4485: posts the ante 25
momoney2too: posts the ante 25
Shshowtime15: posts the ante 25
Will Raze: posts the ante 25
Will Raze: posts small blind 200
BotniaMuerte: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to momoney2too 4hTh
Iplay2Fish: folds
pokerdummy83: raises 4784 to 5184 and is all-in <-- raises 13x the BB with KdAh
yabbatt: folds
mw4485: folds
momoney2too: folds
Shshowtime15: folds
bluedog6 is connected
Will Raze: raises 2258 to 7442 and is all-in <-- re-raises total of 18x the BB with KsQs (isolation play)
Will Raze said, "gg"
BotniaMuerte: calls 7042 <-- calls off 1/2 his chips with 6cJc
*** FLOP *** 8d2cAs <-- nice flop for the best hand preflop
*** TURN *** 8d2cAs 6s <-- a little trouble, but not to worry
*** RIVER *** 8d2cAs6s Jh <-- runner runner for chip leader with the worst garbage hand
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Will Raze: shows KsQs (high card Ace)
BotniaMuerte: shows 6cJc (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
BotniaMuerte collected 4516 from side pot
pokerdummy83: shows KdAh (a pair of Aces)
momoney2too said, "wtf"
BotniaMuerte collected 15752 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20268 Main pot 15752. Side pot 4516. | Rake 0
Board 8d2cAs6sJh
Seat 1: BotniaMuerte (big blind) showed 6cJc and won (20268) with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 2: Iplay2Fish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pokerdummy83 showed KdAh and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: yabbatt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mw4485 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: momoney2too folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Shshowtime15 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Will Raze (small blind) showed KsQs and lost with high card Ace

I was a tournament poker dealer during the summer, so I have seen and dealt a large number of bad beats. But this one takes the cake. How does this guy from Uruguay make this preflop call? This is when I wonder if the game can be rigged.

Once again, I folded preflop, so the outcome didn't affect me. But something sure seems fishy here.



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t9parabellum Jan 18, 2008 5:04 am
yuk!!!!!!
Onlysmokepot Jan 18, 2008 5:07 am
Would it have been more rigged had the J of spades rivered giving the KQ runner runner flush?
Kafer Jan 18, 2008 5:12 am
One bad call by BotniaMuerte does not a rigged game make.
mange Jan 18, 2008 5:20 am

One never knows, does one?

momoney2 Jan 18, 2008 5:42 am
There was a very long pause before he called. Adjusting something?
tripps747 Jan 18, 2008 5:47 am
atc poker
showimprove Jan 18, 2008 5:58 am
I was at a table w the same guys in the same tourny and i raised 3k w 10s under the gun.......the table folded to the same guy in the bb and he goes over the top for 30k so whatever i call it's a freeroll and he shows q9 flop comes 310j tuen...ace riv....k it was so sick.I agree %100 this online poker is fixed!so many times the worst hand wins,so much it's obvious.The predictable patterns are both decieving to the average Joe and the inspiring poker player.It's my opinon online poker is fraud and should be banned.It's unfortunate due to the wonderful concept behind it but it's not run fairley and should be terminated.If yall haven't seen it yet...watch the suckouts that the player gets entering the race with more chips regardless of the cards.The big stack wins $90 of the time regardless to progress the tourney.It's so obvious and that's cheating.The sites cheat ppl out of there money and most of us are to blind to see.Stop already ppl,go to the real tables for fiar poker that will actually improve your game.It's all b.s!sorry bout the bad grammer and hostility :Show
Stan7777 Jan 18, 2008 6:18 am
Folks here's the thing. I do not know if folks can see the cards to come. I read all the info about the RNG and how it can't be busted. Made by man can be defeated by man IMHO. But regaurdless I always believe cheats are to greedy to be sly about cheating/stealing thus I look at these situations an figure there is certainly a possibility it is possible. Thus I don't deposit.
Onlysmokepot Jan 18, 2008 6:53 pm
In a cash game last night I stacked another player when they bet and I called pre flop with A 9 sooted. flop came 9 high and with TPTK I called 1 dollar bet at 5/10 cent level. Turn came another 9 and I called river was a blank and I reraised the bet thrown at me. Player showed QQ. I love rigged poker.
nevadanick Jan 18, 2008 7:05 pm

One main difference in what you saw as a dealer was that live games involve CASH. This was an online FREEroll. These 4,5,6 way pots are all too common online.

Besides the Free vs Cash factor, people online will bet on atc (any 2 cards) and have no problem with the site turning over their cards for all to see. In cash games or tourneys, players are face to face and many would have some personal difficulty turning over that garbage, losing, and having to take the face to face razzing or simply just having to get up and leave, embarassed. Online, you simply change screens and find another FR registering.

Markie141 Jan 18, 2008 7:16 pm
I believe that was probably just another case of lucky poker lol , it was a freeroll too so they call with anything and hope to hit it lucky , I see them catch lucky on PS a lot too, more than I ever see anywhere else for some weird reason, gl !
divinecomedy Jan 18, 2008 8:13 pm
You failed to notice the one and important thing about the hand, it was SUITED!!!
edly423 Jan 18, 2008 8:21 pm
I played a little with him last night-all tourney long he would go in with Q5o or so against vastly superior hands and suck out. Really annoying play

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